Subject: SMML VOL 2425 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 00:56:19 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Noah's ark etc 2 Lost Ark 3 Re NON-fictional SEAVIEW 4 Re Lost Ark 5 Ned Barnett 6 Heller Illustrious is now in 7 Adelaide -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 Re Decals for Adelaide ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Jimmy Bloom" Subject Noah's ark etc There's a very careful estimate by the historian Rafael Patai in his study of Jewish seafaring in ancient times "Noah's Children", first chapter. The most recent "Jewish Navy" was probably the rum-running speedboats of the Detroit Purple Gang in the 1920s, but Patai doesn't take any theological stand on which was the first. He simply tries toreconstruct the likely dimensions and configuration of the ark. He considers that the scriptural editor had in mind the proportions of the oared galley rather than the merchantman as the length to beam ratio came to about 61 and the merchantmen were somewhat tubbier. He notes that 450 feet in length was way too large for a wooden ship even as late as the 19th century. Most likely, Patai argues, the author took the contemporary (probably 5th or 4th century BC) figures for the oared merchant galley (at this point there were merchant galleys that shipped sails for long distance or seagoing ventures) and multiplied them by some figure that he thought would accommodate a large group of animals with sufficient fodder. The largest oared galleys of that day were about 120 feet overall. It is not likely that an ark would much exceed that --- it might have been up to 150 feet. If you think 450 feet is an exaggeration, then consider the 3rd century BC Babylonian historian's estimate of 1000 feet for the ark that saved folks and flocks from the Babylonian flood. That was the "Mother of All Arks", to paraphrase a latter-day Iraqi fabricator. And Bishob Eusebius' own version of the Babylonian vessel was something on the order of two miles. As for Verne's Nautilus, there's a whole website run by a fellow by the name of Cristafulli (sp?) with various efforts to determine the true dimensions and shape of that sub. Of course the standard is the one done for the Disney studios by Goff. Jim Bloom ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "Bruno Gire" Subject Lost Ark >> No, SSN-571 is permanently berthed just down the street from me right now.... Hey, how come it's always submarines that are fictional? Next thing you know, he'll be claiming there was no Red October....<< Sorry Tom, Nautilus is fictional, too, in Jules Verne's 20,000 "Leagues Under the Seas" Bruno Gire ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From Darren Scannell Subject Re NON-fictional SEAVIEW Stay calm people, we don't want a riot here. Please ignore any posts stating that the Seaview is fictional. Evil beings are spreading misinformation and as soon as I get my ray gun back from the shop, I'll deal with them in the usual 50's and 60's style by zapping them back to the planet they came from. And just to prove my reality, check this out http//www.fxmodels.com/seaview.shtml Don't forget to go to pages 2 and 3! Darren ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From Mike Settle Subject Re Lost Ark Oh there really was an Ark. I believe my Mother-in-Law sailed on it. Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From "Ken Goldman" Subject Ned Barnett Saw Ned on the History Channel last night. Leeking very professorial. Were you wearing Argyle socks too? -}) Seriously, though, nice going. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER unique wood sculpture and fine scale models www.walruscarpenter.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "Stephen Allen" Subject Heller Illustrious is now in At least, it is here in Canberra. Saw one at our local Super Toyworld in Fyshwick for Aud $79. Now bring on the photo etch.... regards Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From Mac Dale Subject Adelaide >> I bought Lee's 1/300 HMAS Adelaide (based on US Hazard class) but it has no decals. Front missile luach area and helicopter landing pad. There are other smaller decals around the structure which are less important. Any way I can obtain a sheet for these? << That is the big problem with CC lee's 1/300 OHP, decals are not included. I have used old 1/350 scale ones and the difference is only noticeable to those with exceptionaly clear vision, or nothing better to do that pick apart your work. That really blows as the kit is pretty good. I can send you some hull #s if you dont have spares. contact me offlist mate. Cheers, Ian Halifax, NS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Starline / Fleetline Subject Re Decals for Adelaide Hi John, You can get red circles from Jag & the white stripes from Gold Medal. We have a Aussie sheet coming out soon but they are at the printers and I'm waiting to hear when they are being sent. The Jag sheet is $28 (it also has white markings but they are a bit fine, no hull numbers) The GMM sheet $11 (includes hull numbers no red circles) Hope it helps, Kevin FLEETLINE MELBOURNE http//members.optusnet.com.au/starline/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at http//smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at http//apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume