Subject: SMML VOL 2529 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:15:31 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 HMS Pegasus 2 Re Noah's ark etc 3 merchant ships - large range, constant scale (11200) resins 4 Re HMCS Bonaventure in 1/96 scale 5 Civilian merchant ships 6 Re Cruiser info 7 CLC-1 USS Northampton Drawings? 8 1/700 scale French naval photoetched sheets ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From BlaserGMSail@aol.com Subject HMS Pegasus SMML, Mouldeans, a division of Dean's Marine has some interesting WWI 1/96 hulls available. I have built the HMS Kent and enjoyed the finished model. I recently ordered and today have received the hull for WWI Pelorus class HMS Pegasus. I have spent countless hours on the internet trying to find reference on this fine little cruiser. I am drawing a blank. I have checked with the "usual suspects". Does anyone know where plans for this or similar RN WWI cruisers could be found? Michael Blaser ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From PAUL TOSCANO Subject Re Noah's ark etc Hi Ken, The Chinese used a different method for construction of their junks that the Europeans, which probably explains the size of the vessel you mentioned. Wooden vessels in the West were constructed using a purely wooden framework. This allowed an upper limit of somewhere around 240 feet in length until the end of the period of fighting sail. Anything longer than that would cause "hogging" or a sagging midships. There is no way that a ship using this construction could have equaled the 440 feet of the Chinese ship. During the mid 19th century the problem was solved by using what is known as "composite" construction which was a combination of a wooden and metal framework. Cutty Sark used this construction. Paul ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Reid, John (AFIT)" Subject merchant ships - large range, constant scale (11200) resins If you want a large range at constant scale, try Len Jordan’s resin kits – the detail is outstanding, especially newer kits with some white-metal rigging pieces. Available mail-order directly from Len in UK as kits; also available made-up from others (some of whom are probably on this list); or go to Waterline Ship Enthusiasts meetings usually at Theale, near Reading, Berks. UK. There is one in July this year, contrary to earlier information. John Reid ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From Maarten Schönfeld Subject Re HMCS Bonaventure in 1/96 scale Hello, My name's Maarten. I have been following this digest for some months now. Myself, I'm into modelling Dutch Navy vessels in 1350, and Dutch seagoing tugs in 1200. Most of my work is creating masters of these ships to be cast in resin one day. There is a small group of fellows in Holland that work closely together on these projects. The ad of Chris triggered me to tell you this we made two conversion sets in resin to alter the 1400 Heller Arromanches kit (ex HMS Colossus) into the Dutch carrier Hr.Ms. Karel Doorman, both before and after her great refit where she received an angled flight deck and a new island. Also all the aircraft types are included, Firefly, Sea Fury, Avengers (hunter and killer), Sea Hawk, Tracker and Sikorsky HSS-1 and HO4S-3. We have sold hundreds of copies of these conversion sets, inclusive with the kit. I investigated last year the interest for such a conversion of the same kit into the HMCS Bonaventure, since the basic differences between the Colossus and Majestic classes are mostly academic from a modeller's viewpoint, but I was disappointed with the results. The modeling community in Canada seems to have no interest in this model in quantities of tens, let alone hundreds. The picture may be different on 196 scale, as at this size the model easily may be made RC. However, if you consider such a large scale, I would recommend you to look at 172 scale at that scale all the aircraft types for HMCS Bonaventure are available in kit form, on 196 there is none. Models on 172 on a ship of 196 will look like a sore thumb. Even 1144 would give more opportunities. Also, I would like to give a warning although the basic ship is the same for all Colossus' and Majestics, the Bonaventure was modified extensively, so a kit of this ship is not directly suitable to model any of the others. For instance the HMAS Vengeance (Australia) and Karel Doorman were also fitted with angled decks, both at the RDM dockyard at Rotterdam, but apart from the angle (8 degrees) everything was different in these mods! To this must be added the announcements from Ozmods (Australia) to issue a few kits in 1350 from various Colossus/Majestic types, planned to be released this summer (or will it be the coming Australian summer?) Cheerio, Maarten Schönfeld IPMS SIG Shipping The Netherlands ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From Mark McKellar Subject Civilian merchant ships >> Be careful, the Imex Ro-Ro is in reality the MV Cape Knox (T-AKR 5082). The MSC bought her in 1995. << Yes, I discovered that the two ships in the class had be sold and were now painted - can you believe it - grey! I saw them in New Orleans about 5 years ago...they are quite impressive from the deck of a paddle boat. mark I'm sorry but the city of Boston will be closed for the final week of July. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From Tim Stoneman Subject Re Cruiser info KENYA - can't help, I'm afraid, except that Raven & Roberts, in 'British Cruisers of World War Two', say her damage repairs at Rosyth included the addition of 2 quad 0.5" (making a total of 4 mountings) and 2 Oerlikons. EDINBURGH - There was discussion in SMML 1417/1418/1421 which concluded that she had two Oerlikons on 'B' turret, two at the end of the quarterdeck in echelon and two located one either side of the bridge on B gun deck. According to 'British Cruisers of World War Two', these were fitted during her July 41 docking, and the only photos I've seen of her after that date show them in these locations. Although WRPRESS said 'By April 1942 one of the single 20 mm mounts had been removed from the roof of A turret and the remaining one moved to the centre line of same. I believe that two single 20mm were then fitted on the aft deckhouse, making a total of seven single 20mm carried. The 0.5" machine guns were still in place at the time of loss', I've not seen a photo in that configuration. I agree that she could well have been AP507A overall. Who can tell! SHEFFIELD - Raven & Roberts in 'Ensign 5 Town Class Cruisers' show the 6 guns as follows - one each on 'B' and 'X' turrets, offset to the left of each turret, one each side abreast the mainmast on the same deck as the after HA.DCT and one each side abeam the foremast on the lower bridge. I've not seen any photos showing 2 guns on 'B' turret - although that doesn't rule it out! Certainly several photos of about this period show one each on 'B' and 'X' quite clearly. Tim Stoneman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From "Ralph Batykefer" Subject CLC-1 USS Northampton Drawings? Hello All, I have a friend who served on the CLC-1 USS Northampton and wants a model of her. The ship was based on a USS Oregon heavy cruiser hull I know he could use the 1/700 JAG Albany or the 1/350 ISW USS Pittsburgh hull. But he needs drawings of the superstructure. I contacted Floating Drydock but did not see any drawings of her on the website. Please help out this veteran... God bless IHS, Ralph B. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From "Harold Stockton" Subject 1/700 scale French naval photoetched sheets For all those 1/700 scale ship modelers who want to go that little extra millimeter, I would recommend that you order L'Arsenal's, www.larsenal.com , for their AC 700-01; three different style railings, and AC 700-02; three length railed inclined stairs and ladders photoetched sets. Taking the AC 700-01 set first, this includes three different style railings. Part one deals with the three bar style for the Contre-torpilleurs and light cruisers. According to the instructions this would include models of the Jaguar, Epervier, Mogador and others. And, these could also be used for both Torpilleurs, Contre-torpilleurs and light cruisers of the Le Fantasque class. Part two of this set deals with the three bar style railings for the larger units of the French Navy, such as the Richelieu, Jean Bart, Dunkerque, Strasbourg, and the larger cruisers such as the Georges Leyguess (Gorgeous Legs) class. Finally on this set is the two bar style railings for the Provence / Bretagne class battleships, which was also used as the inboard railings of the Bourrasque and Adroit class torpilleurs d'escadre during maneuvers to keep people from being swept overboard because of the severe rolling of these vessels. To say that these sets are finely modelded is a misnomer. On part two of the above mentioned set is the three bar style railings for the larger units of the French Navy that included a mesh along the lower bar to the deck. This mesh was enough to let water flow freely over the deck and away, but strong enough to catch anyone caught unawares from being washed overboard. It is these railings that one would use along the deck level of any torpilleurs d'escadre, and then the conventional three bar railings along the upper decks. One has to admire and congratulate Mr.Jacques Druel, info@larsenal.com , for this little bit of extra detail. Turning to set AC 700-02; three length railed inclined stairs and ladders photoetched sets, the same attention to detail is here as in the above just described set. To say this set is VERY delicate is an understatement. Care MUST be used to gain all of the delicacy that this sheet offers. The amount of time taken in carefully folding these stairs and cutting out the ladders will amaze all of those fortunate enough to view your finished work. The only suggestions that I could make to Mr. Druel is that he come out with another set that would include the range clocks, coiled ropes, cable, torpedo and boat winches, and smaller French naval anti-aircraft weapons. With the growing number of French naval subjects coming from L'Arsenal and HP Models, anything extra would be welcome. With Niko Model's, http//www.nikomodel.pl , release of their Scipione Africano and the other Italian naval subjects available, these would be a prime area of photoetched sheets for Mr. Druel's L'Arsenal or Caroline Snyder's White Ensign Models, http//WhiteEnsignModels.com , to consider. One could also puchase WEM's sets to help finish off your French torpilleurs d'escadre or contre-torpilleurs. These could include their #PE 739 1/700 RN Ship's Boats Details, which contains parts such as propshafts, oars, sails and thwarts for the common types of Royal Navy boats during the WWI/WWII era, a MUST HAVE, as is their #PE 753 Water cooled version of the "50 cal" in single Mk. 3 mount. Also to be considered is their #PE 709 1/700 Tribal Class Destroyer set, #PE 710 1/700 Ladders & Wakways, #PE 719 1/700 Flower Class Corvette, #PE 724 1/700 WWI British Cruiser/Destroyer, #PE 727 1/700 J, K, N Class Destroyer and their #PE 736 1/700-1/350 Ship's & Boat's Steering Wheels. My thanks again for Mr. Druel's assistance with my unusual order and his quick and friendly service. Harold Stockton Happy Modeling ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at http//smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at http//apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume