Subject: SMML VOL 2535 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:45:32 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 D-day and H-hour 2 Re D-Day 3 Re D-Day 4 Re IPMS Belgium & Holland 5 Re D-Day 6 Re Trumpeter's Future Plans - Model Kit Survey 7 350 WWII decals 8 "Model Kit Survey" 9 Re the D in D-Day 10 Glues and multimedia problem 11 Re D-Day 12 Re D-Day 13 D stands for Day 14 Re IPMS Belgium & Holland ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Robert Lockie" Subject D-day and H-hour Hi Franklyn D stands for ‘day’ really, so that planning can work on the basis of time either side of a datum (D-5, D+10 etc.) without being tied to a particular date. Imagine how confusing it would have been if all the planning for Overlord had been based on kicking off on 5th June and then it was delayed 24 hours…. Post-Overlord reporting no doubt allowed the term to enter public usage and it was subsequently ascribed various other meanings although the term is still in use today. Similarly there is H-hour (+ or –24) for the time within D-day, so that similar planning can be undertaken on a shorter timescale. It was a change in the time for H-hour which was responsible for a substantial number of casualties in Exercise Tiger in April 1944, when the naval bombardment coincided with the landing of the first wave, when it should have lifted beforehand. Robert Lockie Swindon UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From John Mianowski Subject Re D-Day See http//www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/doddict/data/t/05416.html JM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Ken Goldman" Subject Re D-Day D-Day D equals "day" as in, "this is it, guys." The same thinking put the troops on the beach at H-Hour. This nomenclature was standard - 6 June 1944 at Normandy was not the only D-Day - but it gradually became coded with different initial letter designations resulting in Okinawa, for example, being invaded on L-Day. This had the bizarre result of placing the attack on "love" day. That one also happened to be both Easter Sunday and April Fools Day. Ken Goldman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From Maarten Schönfeld Subject Re IPMS Belgium & Holland >> I was just wondering if there is anyone who might know or even belong to the clubs, where does the Brussells & Amsterdam versions of the clubs meet & when. << Hi Andrew, The IPMS Netherlands site was moved to http//www.ipms.nl/ some time ago. The site of IPMS Belgium is similarly on http//www.ipms.be, but this link will move you to http//users.pandora.be/filsoft/ipms-belgium/index.htm immediately. All info on local chapters (or in the Dutch case regional branches) etcetera can be found on these sites. Regards, Maarten Schönfeld IPMS Netherlands ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From "George Peat" Subject Re D-Day The designation 'D' day does not stand for anything special it is just a military code. This designation has been used since for amphibious operations, Such as the Falklands. George Peat ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From Bill Weckel Subject Re Trumpeter's Future Plans - Model Kit Survey If Trumpeter is still accepting suggestions for future ship models, here's my list 1/350 IJN Takao class cruiser 1/350 IJN Zuikaku CV 1/350 IJN Kongo class battleship 1/350 IJN Akagi CV 1/350 HMS Dreadnought WWI battleship 1/350 USS Gambier Bay CVE 1/350 SMS Seydlitz (WWI) 1/350 SMS Von Der Tann 1/350 SMS Derflinger 1/350 HMS Ark Royal (WWII) 1/350 Prinz Eugen (WWII) 1/350 Graf Spee 1/350 HMS Exeter cruiser (WWII) 1/350 HMS Hood battlecruiser 1/350 USS San Francisco CA 1/350 Line of WWII Subs US "S" Class, USS Argonaut, USS Gato, German Types 7 & 9, IJN "I" Boats, British & Italian subs - full hull 1/350 USS Ward - WWII USN / UK flush deck DD 1/350 USS Samuel B. Roberts DDE 1/350 Soviet Yankee Class SSBN 1/350 Soviet Delta Class SSBN 1/350 Soviet Foxtrot Class SS 1/350 Type 42 Destroyer (UK) 1/350 HMS Invincible / Ark Royal CV (Falklands era) 1/350 USSR Slava CG (the cold war Slava) 1/350 USSR Udaloy DDG Bill -) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From Keith Butterley Subject 350 WWII decals Hi all, Who makes a set of 350 scale WWII decals that includes letters ( H & I) and numbers suitable for RN ships? If not whats out there that would do the job? What was the best thing before sliced bread? Regards Keith Butterley warshipbooks.com/West Coast Models Vancouver Site of the 2010 Winter Olympics ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From ELLshipmodeler@aol.com Subject "Model Kit Survey" Regarding the announcement on SMML about the survey for new Trumpeter products in 1/700 and 1/350 There are a lot of candidates to suggest, but how about just one popular warship in 1/192 (1/16"=1')? I'm sure anything larger than 1/192, although highly desirable, would be impractical to produce. Gene Larson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From "Tim Perry" Subject Re the D in D-Day I understood the D didn't stand for anything, it was just that it sounded good; alliteration, I think it is called! Tim Perry wunwinglow www.tjpgraphics.com for digital aviation modelling www.kipperboxes.co.uk for 1200 Warship models ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From Kelvin Mok Subject Glues and multimedia problem I had a sudden urge to build the many boat kits I had accumulated over the years and for starters there are a three Billings kits that will be motorized and will have two channel RC. I'll be motorizing and RC several plastic kits too including Linberg's PT boat and the Blue Devil Fletcher class destroyer too. I have problems with glues. After asking the hobby shop guys they recommended 12 minute epoxy (NPH Co.Inc. of Lowell, MA.) to bond ABS plastic to wood and to other materials. I made and added wood parts to the Lindberg boats so that I can use metal rails, install better motors, battery packs, etc. Don't laugh. While using a table saw to cut wood parts for the Billings boats the work in progress Lindberg PT boat that was on the saw table slid off its stand and crashed onto the floor. That broke the transom into several pieces but nothing that plastic glue and bondo won't fix. But the wood bow insert and inside hull wood rim strips that were glued with epoxy popped right out. It was obvious that while the glue held the wood parts in place, there was never a "welded" bond because the plastic surfaces were pristine. I also checked the epoxied mend on the Billing hull I had made earlier on a small crack and that didn't hold either. I had already tried regular model plastic glue, generic epoxy, balsa cement, crazy glue and ABS glue. They didn't work either for mending ABS or for bonding wood to plastic. Before I spend time and money on more experiments can you guys recommend a good general solution or direct me to a webpage that has a good discussion on model glues for bonding to different materials. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From "Tony Mattson" Subject Re D-Day Franklyn asks >> I should know, but will admit to a little (O. K., a lot) of mental fuzziness. What does the stand-alone letter "D" signify in D-Day? I think it might mean Departure Day, but am not sure. << According to the Department of Defense Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms, this somewhat opaque definition of the term D-day. The unnamed day on which a particular operation commences or is to commence From The General Service Schools, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, Combat Orders (Fort Leavenworth, Kansas The General Service Schools Press, 1922) The earliest use of these terms by the U.S. Army that the Center of Military History has been able to find was during World War I. In Field Order Number 9, First Army, American Expeditionary Forces, dated September 7, 1918 "The First Army will attack at H hour on D day with the object of forcing the evacuation of the St. Mihiel Salient." So there you have it, it seems that the letter D in D-Day stands for, yes, the letter D. Cheers Tony Mattson Auckland, NZ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From Ned Barnett Subject Re D-Day This is a military term, with no specific meaning - i.e., D-Day, H-Hour, etc. Just a signifier of THE day. Before Normandy, all invasions began on D-Day, but Normandy's importance and fame made the term seem to apply to only that one invasion. Ned ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From EDWARD GRUNE Subject D stands for Day Franklyn asked what the D in D-Day stood for. It stands for 'Day'. This allowed the military planners to plan for an uncertain date in the future and for actions which had to take place relative to the day; as in D-1 or D+7. The planners could do their op plan and publish it to subordinates. They could then publish the go date later without republishing the whole op order. Similarly, H-Hour stood for Hour or the time the event was to occur. Times relative to H-Hour were H-100 or H+030 - or similar. Thus it allowed the invasion of Normandy to be slipped a day from the 5th of June to 0630 on 6 June without republishing the whole op order. The same question was asked and answered in this weeks Time magazine. The first recorded occurance of D-Day was the US operations against St Michel (sp) in 1917. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From "Michiel Woort" Subject Re IPMS Belgium & Holland Dear Andrew, Contact me offlist with details (when you come and what you want to see)and perhaps I can help you for the dutch connection. Greetings, Michiel Woort Keep in mind that the Open Navy Days will be held from the 9th till the 11th of July in Den Helder. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at http//smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at http//apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume