Subject: SMML VOL 2561 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:10:52 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Re SMS Deutschland Funnel Bands 2 Re SMS Deutschland Funnel Bands 3 Re SMS Deutchland Funnel Bands Falk Pletcher and John Reid 07/12/04 4 Need 1/96 Navy decals 5 Re Cracker Jack 6 Ebay items ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "William H. Shuey" Subject Re SMS Deutschland Funnel Bands To John Reid & others; The reference to jet black may well be what the color was supposed to be. When speaking of paint colors in reference to warships, and aircraft for that matter, the long term effects of sun and salt air must be considered. Paints at the turn of the last century were made with pigments and bases that were probably much less sophisticated and durable than what we have available today. And that condition didn't change until recent years. I remember my Uncle coming home from W.W.II and the first thing he did was buy himself a nice shiny black new car. He wasn't great on waxing the car and after two years it's color was a sort of chalky dark blue gray. I know because he sold the car to my Father and I had to help him wash and polish the car. Point is, it may have been black when painted on, but what effect would a couple of months of Sun and North Sea salt air have? Especially in a Germany that was beginning to feel the pinch of blockade and the shortage of chemical supplies, including some for paint pigments? Bill Shuey ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From Bill Weckel Subject Re SMS Deutschland Funnel Bands >> The Tripod site says unequivocally (for late-war ships of the High Seas Fleet) To allow German ships to be identified from the air, the tops of the main turrets and armoured conning tower were painted Jet Black. After identification problems were encountered during the occupation of the islands of Oesel and Dagö in October, 1917, distinctive White circles were painted on the uppermost turrets forward and aft on capital ships, << Since the Battle of Jutland was before October 1917, would German ships NOT have had the white turret-top rings during the battle? Or did some have the rings then too? I'm intrigued by the Konig's red aft funnel and was thinking about modeling her during Jutland. TIA Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Pirie and Kathy" Subject Re SMS Deutchland Funnel Bands Falk Pletcher and John Reid 07/12/04 Falk I quoted Marc a note from the 1914 Jane's (p.115) describing how colored funnel bands were used by the KM to show the position of each ship in a 16 ship battleship fleet ("floette - please forgive my spelling, my barbarous e-mail system will not allow umlauts) composed of two squadrons of eight ships, each of two divisions ("grueppen") of four. Was this some hypothetical organization (the Deutchlands could not have been organized this way, obviously) or is Jane's just, uh, "extending" its conclusions a bit? Do you know of anything that might have contributed to the publication of this material? John FYI, white circles were in use as early as Jutland. The Seydlitz "Profile" has a photo of her plowing home after the battle with a white circle clearly painted on the fore-turret. Pirie Sublett San Diego ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From Raven0222@aol.com Subject Need 1/96 Navy decals Am looking for 1/96 scale 1/8th inch to the foot, US Navy numeric decals, post WWII. Any ideas? Thanks Raven ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject Re Cracker Jack Well, I finally got to a grocery store and found a box of Cracker Jack. My first impression was that it is much smaller (and ten times as expensive) than what I remember from the 1920s. But I was disappointed to see that they had changed the image of the boy in the sailor suit. They didn't improve it, they merely changed it. Why ????? The boy is still wearing the old bell-bottoms, and a Dixie Cup hat, but the image is smaller, and is sort of blah. I'm glad the Navy is still holding the line. Alas. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From PaulShip37@aol.com Subject Ebay items Saw these on Ebay today Warship Monograph- Queen Elizabeth Class Battleships Ebay Item # 6911620998 Warship International- 67 issues ranging from 1966 to 1995 (many complete years) Ebay Item # 5909143920 For those of us old enough to remember, take a look at Ebay Item # 5909269460 "Pyro 50's 16inch plastic model USS Shangri-La"' perhaps one of the oldest large plastic ship kits. I vaugely remember my older brother had one. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at http//smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at http//apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume