Subject: SMML VOL 2562 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:09:35 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Back on the list 2 U-215 found-CBC 3 Re SMS Deutschland Funnel Bands 4 Re Cracker Jack 5 Funnel Bands ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Cooper, Mike" Subject Back on the list Well, wotcha SMMLies! Having settled back into a new job, back in Reading, I'm back on SMML. I hadn't touched a ship model for ... ooh...a couple of years until I got press-ganged into building two 1/300th "Beetles" for a diorama of Suvla Bay 1915. (I'll post piccies if I can). This reminded me that I used to like scratchbuilding ships, which reminded me that I had an attic full of bits of resin...which hasn't actually resulted in me building a ship since the diorama, but... In other words, hi to everyone who knows me, and I'm still around! Mainly building WW1 military at present. Regards Mike Cooper (Nice sunny Reading UK) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From Mac Dale Subject U-215 found-CBC Nazi U-boat wreck found off N.S. WebPosted Jul 13 2004 1131 AM ADT HALIFAX ­ The first-ever confirmed U-boat wreck in Canadian waters has been discovered off Nova Scotia's south coast. A team of divers and marine archaeologists say they located the Nazi submarine U-215 last week about 200 kilometres south of Shelburne. In the summer of 1942, the U-boat was on a secret mission to lay mines in Boston harbour. The sub torpedoed the American ship Alexander Macomb, which was loaded with tanks and guns for the war in Europe. A British warship counterattacked, sinking the Nazi submarine with depth charges. The wreck of U-215 was never found. But the divers say they have pictures to show the sub and its crew of 49 lay entombed on George's Bank for 62 years. http//gwardnet.d2g.com/mac/ Mac's Naval Photography Editor ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From mflake@airmail.net Subject Re SMS Deutschland Funnel Bands Pirie, Falk, et. al. On the World War I -- Maritime War site (http//www.gwpda.org/naval/n0000000.htm#flt), the following is a partial disposition list of the High Seas Fleet in August 1914. THE DEPLOYMENT OF THE KAISERLICHE MARINE IN AUGUST, 1914 Fleet Flag BB Frederich der Grosse 1st Battle Squadron BB Ostfriedsland, Thurningen, Helgoland, Oldenburg Posen, Rheinland, Nassau, Westfallen 3rd Battle Squadron (incomplete waiting for Konigs to join.) BB Kaiser, Kaiserin, Prinzregnent, Konig Albert 2nd Battle Squadron BA Preussen, Schlesien, Hessen, Lothringen Hannover, Schleswig-Holstein, Pommern, Deutschland (The Elsass and Braunschweig are in the Baltic.) The following sources were given Conway's Halpern Taylor's "German Warships of World War I" Here's another partial listing further down the page, also for August 1914 2nd. Squadron (Vice Admiral Scheer) (1st Division) Battleship Preussen (Flagship) Battleship Hessen Battleship Lothringen Battleship Deutschland Would this indicate that Deutschland would have four yellow bands or four blue bands? Marc Flake ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From "Ouellette, Lawrence M" Subject Re Cracker Jack Fkbrown90@aol.com wrote >> Well, I finally got to a grocery store and found a box of Cracker Jack. My first impression was that it is much smaller (and ten times as expensive) than what I remember from the 1920s. But I was disappointed to see that they had changed the image of the boy in the sailor suit. They didn't improve it, they merely changed it. Why????? <<< Franklyn, I'm sure it is the same reason why 'Betty Crocker' doesn't look like she used to. Some consulting company probably got paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to create a new 'brand image' for Cracker Jack, with focus groups deciding what shade of blue the jumper should be, how wide to make the smile, what breed to make the dog, etc, etc. Larry Ouellette Volunteer, USS Salem (CA 139) United States Naval Shipbuilding Museum Quincy, Massachusetts, USA http//www.uss-salem.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From 520086475121-0001@t-online.de (F. Pletscher) Subject Funnel Bands Unfortunately, I don't have the 1914 Jane's, but from my records, I can confirm the following In 1982 red funnel bands were introduced to indicate the tactical position of ships within their division. In 1902 colored bands were ordered to show also to which division the ship was attacheded. Regulations changed in 1904 and 1906 and were as follows 1. Division / I. Geschwader 1902 - white, 1904 - black, 1906 - white. 2. Div./ I. Geschw. 1902 - red, 1904 - white, 1906 - red. 3. Div./ II Geschw. 1902 - yellow, 1904 - red, 1906 - yellow. 4. Div./ II Geschw. 1902 - black, 1904 - yellow, 1906 - blue 5. Div./ III. Geschw. 1906 - white. 6. Div./ III. Geschw. 1906 - red. 1. Aufklaerungsgruppe Same as 1. Division. 2. AufklGrp. Same as 2. Division. 3. AufklGrp. Same as 3. Division. 4. AufklGrp. Same as 4. Division. (Geschwader = Squadron, Aufklaerungsgruppe = Scouting Force) Please note that only warships bigger than destroyers and only those of them which were attached to the Maneuver Fleet (since 1888), resp. the Active Battle Fleet (since 1903), resp.the High Seas Fleet (since 1907) had these bands. 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