Subject: SMML VOL 2568 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 03:29:45 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Submarine Disasters 2 Submarines and Disasters 3 Re IJN card models 4 Re Submarine Disasters 5 Re Sub collisions 6 Re sub disasters 7 Re Tribute To Mother 8 USS Ward 9 Re Submarine Disasters 10 "Warship" Special Editions - follow-up on old thread ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "dengar" Subject Submarine Disasters Hi Ned, Try Lost subs from the Henley to the Kursk, the greatest submarines ever lost - and found / Spencer Dunmore ; introduction by Robert D. Ballard ; technical consultant, J. David Perkins ; featuring contemporary underwater photographs by Jonathan Blair and Brian Skerry. Regards Gary McGee ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "Katz, Gene S" Subject Submarines and Disasters I just picked up the book "Evolution and Tech Development of U-Boats" (close enough for the title.) It was $15 or so at Hamilton Books vs. $60 elsewhere. Excellent tech history of the U-boat and includes various accidents, analysis, solutions going back to the mid-late 19th Century, Wilhelm Bauer, etc. Also lists early concepts and ideas for "submarines" and related underwater vehicles back into the 17th Century. By the way, just the story of Bauer and his background is fascinating. Some of the U-Boat Cruisers with turreted heavy artillery really were amazing, although they didn't get off the tracing paper and linen drawings. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From david@dhathaway.freeserve.co.uk Subject Re IJN card models A much better card model of an IJN ship, the IJN Kongo, is available at http//www007.upp.so-net.ne.jp/kusimaru/index.html Also a model of the submarine Oyashio Both free. I have developed a set of internal formers for the Kongo model if anyone is interested. The model has no internal supports/framework and is very non-rigid until it is finished. Mail me off line if you want a set of the pdf's for the formers. The Kongo is about 1260 scale and a very credible model. Might make a good set of templates for a plastic model as discussed earlier on the list. I have not built the submarine. David ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From aandmblevins@att.net Subject Re Submarine Disasters Check out the book "Under pressure; The Final Voyage of the Submarine S-Five" by A.J.Hill, published by New American Library. The story of the sinking and remarkable rescue of the crew of the submarine in September of 1920 off the coast of New Jersey. Al Blevins ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From "keith bender" Subject Re Sub collisions Hi SMMLies, Twice while I worked at Electric Boat in Groton 1986-96 I seen two different boats come in banged up, one pretty bad. Both were in collisions with our friends the Russians. The one boat had a busted nose cone and small gash on her side at the bow opening a ballast tank. The other had a bent rudder. I won't name the boats but seeing them was believing how close they get playing their games. KTB ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From Burl Burlingame Subject Re sub disasters Certainly the F-4 should be included. BB ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From "bendinggrass" Subject Re Tribute To Mother Randy, That was a beautiful tribute to your Mother. God bless her, and God bless you. She must have been a sweet, wonderful, woman. You certainly touched my heart, and brought many memories to my mind... I almost said, "... to my heart" and perhaps that would be more accurate. My Mom is still here, thank heavens, still giving me a little treat at my age of 50, and she is 76 now. My Dad bought me my first model, the Airfix Bismark, from Bowrings Department Store, when I was perhaps 7 years old, and I got a lot of mileage with that. He passed away in 92, from Cancer, at the age of 68, and of course he is always in my heart and thoughts. They gave me a great childhood, and much happiness. Fortunate to have such people in our lives, I know. Take care. Randy Nugent St. John's, Newfoundland ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From "airartcsb@juno.com" Subject USS Ward Does anyone know the camo colors for the USS Ward 1941 Pearl Harbor? Vertical and Horizontal surfaces? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From "Chuck Messer" Subject Re Submarine Disasters Don't forget the loss of the Komsomolets, the "Mike" class super-experimental sub. The first use (though unsuccessful) of an escape capsule. I believe that was another reactor fire. Wasn't one the the Royal Navy H2-O2 powered subs named H.M.S. Explorer? I believe the nickname for her was H.M.S. Exploder. Too bad. Hydrogen Peroxide would have been ideal for non-nuke boats, if it weren't so @#$%& touchy. What kind of monopropellant is used in the Mark 48? Would it work to power a sub? Chuck ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From "Reid, John (AFIT)" Subject "Warship" Special Editions - follow-up on old thread About a year ago there was a thread about the magazine “Warship”, published in the UK by Conway Maritime press initially as a quarterly, now annual. (Not to be confused with “Warship International” published quarterly in the USA by the International Naval research Organization INRO.) In addition to the regular issues two Specials were produced, whose existence was unknown to some SMMLies. At the meeting of Waterline Ship Enthusiasts at Theale, near London UK, on Sunday 18 July, I bought copies of both to replace mine destroyed last year. By the way, Warship 2004 is now out. Warship Special 1 titled “Battlecruisers” (ISBN 0 85177 130 0, 1978, NJM Campbell) although great for naval historians is not much help to modellers, the drawings being the same profile-only jobs as in Conway’s All the World’s Fighting Ships 1906-21 and at a smaller scale. I paid GBP 22 for this, it is apparently rare. Warship Special 2 titled Super Destroyers (ISBN 0 85177 131 9, 1978) is another story. The articles are by Watts on the Fubuki class, Andò on the “Navigatori”, Mordal on the “Fantasque”, Friedman on the US 1850-tonners, Lyon on the Tribals, and Preston on ‘the Narvik type’ but actually covering all designs of the KM where metal was cut; Preston was also the overall editor for this title. The illustrations are as illustrious as the respective authors and because destroyers are smaller than battlecruisers, the detail is certainly useful for 1/700 and 1/400 modellers and maybe larger, but there is almost nothing on colour schemes. I think that the German destroyers are best drawn, and the illustrations of the Italian ones are perhaps rarest in English-language books. I paid only GBP 10 for this, which compares well with the GBP 2.50 cover price in 1978. This title is more frequently found, and apparently many library systems have a copy – which is why I have quoted the ISBNs in case people wish to search for these old items. It is over a quarter of a century since these books were published, and some of these authors are now deceased. We owe them. John Reid ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at http//smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at http//apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume