Subject: SMML VOL 2570 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:43:38 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Re the colours worn by the USS WARD, Dec. 1941 2 Re USS Ward 3 Re USS Ward colours 4 USS WARD 5 Re Wildwood, NJ patrol boat? 6 USS Powhatan-1852 Sidewheeler 7 Help finishing 1/350 destroyer 8 Re Sunken subs 9 Re Otto fuel II -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 Items for sale--USS Enterprise Memorabilia, some models ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Graham Preston Subject Re the colours worn by the USS WARD, Dec. 1941 I have two references for the USS WARD, and the colours that she wore in Dec. 1941 The first is the "Squadron in Action # 19 - US Flush Deck Destroyers in Action" book. This has a cover with the USS WARD in action with an IJN mini-sub, off Pearl Harbor. According to Squadron, the WARD was painted in the Measure 11 - Sea Blue system, with all vertical surfaces painted in Sea Blue (5-S), and all horizontal surfaces in Deck Blue (20-B). According to the book "USS WARD Fires First Shot - WW II" (which I obtained at the USS ARIZONA Memorial Museum in Hawaii), the WARD was finished in the Measure 21 - Navy Blue System, with all vertical surfaces finished in Navy Blue (5-N), and all horizontal surfaces finished in Deck Blue (20-B). Of the two references, I would rely on the second publication - "USS WARD Fires First Shot", as it deals specifically with the USS WARD. Hope this helps. Chris Preston, Victoria, B.C. Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From Randy Ward Subject Re USS Ward SMML wrote >> I have some photos (B&W) of the Ward at Pearl Harbor, provided by the USN for an article I edited for IPMS. Looks to me like it was in the standard haze gray scheme in use at that time (I forget the measure) - but there was nothing camouflage-ish about the colors. Wish that was enough to help. << According to the Leeward (no relation to me) publication on the USS Ward (again, no relation), the Measure 21 (Navy Blue) was in use at the time of the Pearl harbor attack. That was changed to the camaflouge pattern (Measure 31) in 1943. BTW, the Ward was named for Commander James Harmon Ward, who served in the Navy almost 40 years. He was the first Union Naval officer killed in the Civil War (27 June 1861). Cap'n Randy (Lee Anne Ward) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "George Peat" Subject Re USS Ward colours Hi Guys, According to the book USS Ward The First Shot,by Arnold S Lott Lcdr USN [Ret] and Robert F Sumrall HTC. USNR. Leeward Publications/Ships Data ISBN 0-915268-11-6, Shown on the center fold there is a colour picture of the Ward as outfitted 1941 when recommission as a destroyer 13 Feb 1941 The colours were Measure 21 Navy Blue System. Navy blue on all vertical surfaces and deck blue on all decks [1941] Hope this helps guys George Peat ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From andrew jones Subject USS WARD Hi there On the front page of the Squadron Flush deck destroyers is an art work of the Ward...though of some post's i think that were here some time ago about Squadron's artwork/colour reference being not quite right or something to that extent ..but I like it & its reference to me...so have a look at the book if you can..i'll try to dig mine up. Andrew ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From David Wells Subject Re Wildwood, NJ patrol boat? Gary wrote >> Was on vacation recently and saw what looked like a civilian owned small grey patrol boat tied up at dock. Had a small "109" stencilled on the front. Sorry don't have more details than that. Was just curious if anyone local had any idea what it might be. TIA << Now this is interesting. I have no direct data on this, but I do have an "urban legend". For many years, my dad used to tell me tales of a WWII PT boat that was purchased after the war, and was used as a fishing/excursion boat in the Wildwood area. It may have been re-engined, as part of his tale was that the original supercharged engines cost too much to feed. This was a tale from his youth, so if it's the same boat, it's been in Wildwood for quite a while. FYI, I live about 100 miles north of Wildwood, and my dad grew up in Millville, which is a bit northwest of Wildwood. David R. Wells P.S. If anyone says "Watch the tram car, please", I reserve the right to smack them with a wet rolled-up beach towel. ;-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From Edwparent@aol.com Subject USS Powhatan-1852 Sidewheeler Does anyone in SMML have plans for this ship? It was a sidewheeler warship that was Commodore Perry's flagship when the U.S. went to Japan in 1854 to visit and fight Chinese pirates. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From "BRUCE BULLOCK" Subject Help finishing 1/350 destroyer Hello to all, I have almost finished the ISW USS Decatur kit, modified to be the USS S.P.Lee, DD 310, which ran aground with most of the rest of Desron 11 in 1923 at Honda Point, about 12 miles from my house. Unfortunately, it is beyond my skill to produce anything resembling a 4" 50 cal gun from the resin parts provided with the kit. ISW generously supplied me with replacements for all the small parts as the ones that came with the kit were badly formed, but even with two sets to work from I am not happy with the guns. Does anyone have anything in their spares bins, or know of an alternative source for 1/350 scale 4" navel guns? Thanks, Bruce Bullock Lompoc, Calif P.S In reply to a post a couple of days ago,according to Squadrons "US Flush Deck Destroyers in Action" , the USS Ward was in Measure 11 on Dec 7, 1941. Sea blue with deck blue decks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From "JulioPillet" Subject Re Sunken subs >> Another disaster receiving much public attention was the American submarine S 4, accidentally rammed and sunk by a destroyer while on maneuvers off the coast of New England. I believe it was in the late 1920s. I also think there was a book written about it. << Franklyn, This is one book about it. "Under pressure". The final voyage of submarine S-Five. A. J. Hill ISBN0-451-20911-7 Julio ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From "E. Arnold" Subject Re Otto fuel II >> Remembering back to my days of simulating the the MK48 torpedo and MK96 fire control system models for the Trident Command & Control Team Trainers, I came across some of the cautionary information in the NWPs on the handling of Otto, and what to do in case of a spill. While Otto isn't as "reactive" as Hydrogen Peroxide, it has its own set of problems which must be dealt with. Chief among these, IIRC, is that the main by-product of combustion is Hydrogen Cyanide. Not good in enclosed spaces. Does any state still use cyanide in their death chambers? << FWIW, Otto fuel II is a distinct-smelling, reddish-orange, oily liquid consisting primarily of PGDN (Propylene Glycol DiNitrate). It was developed in 1963 at NWSC Indian Head, MD by the late Dr. Otto Reitlinger for use as a high-speed torpedo propellant. You can find out more if you Goggle-Torpedo fuel development. I can't answer your last question, though you are correct about the production of Hydrogen Cyanide as a by product of the combustion of Otto fuel II under pressure, ie., in operational use, in the torpedo. Hope this helps Ed Arnold-Submarine Torpedoman (Retired) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Rod Dauteuil" Subject Items for sale--USS Enterprise Memorabilia, some models Hello all, I am selling a couple of things from my USS Enterprise collection Westpac cruise yearbook, 1976-1977, very good condition, white with a red, white and blue "76" on the cover. Many color photos of the ship, crew, airwing, ports of call, etc. Great reference book. $75.00 Navy blue windbreaker jacket, gold "USS Enterprise" embroidered on the left breast, large USS Enterprise Ship's seal embroidered on the back. Size = XL. $25.00 Tamiya 1/350 Fletcher, new in box, not sealed. $20.00 Nichimo 1/200 Type IX-C Uboat, new in box, not sealed, $12.00 Shipping costs based on destination, all prices USD. First come first served basis. Photo's available upon request. I'm offering them here to the SMMLies rather than on Ebay because Ebay is just getting too large--the book and jacket would probably be lost in some obscure category. It's getting ridiculous out there. Thanks, Rod ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at http//smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at http//apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume