Subject: SMML VOL 2575 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 03:06:50 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Re Torpedo Nets 2 Re Submarine Disasters - Need Info, Input 3 Torpedo Nets 4 Anybody have a spare KGV crane? 5 Re PT19, and ELCO stationed in Samar 6 Re Color of USS WARD 7 Mini Hobby Models brand 1/350th scale U.S.S. Arizona 8 Hobby shops in Oklahoma City OK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 Task Force Hobbies August 20% off Sale 2 Books for sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Richard Wootten Subject Re Torpedo Nets Torpedo nets were steel interlinked rings at a guess about 9 inches in diameter and half an inch thick. They were indeed slung on booms and hung like a curtain from the waterline to below the keel. They were strictly for protection at anchor, I can't think anyone was foolhardy enough to try to handle them under weigh, they were b----- enough to set when standing still. When new they were painted red lead or black but the more you handled them the tattier they got and painting them was as much of a b------ as anything else. They were noones favourite toy. Richard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From Bill Weckel Subject Re Submarine Disasters - Need Info, Input Ned, I remember hearing an anecdote when I was with naval intelligence (US), that was referred to as "Whiskey on the Rocks". During the cold war, the Soviets ran a Whiskey-class sub aground inside of Swedish territorial waters (which they consistently violated). I don't think anyone was injured or killed, but it was a source of great political embarrassment for the USSR. I remember seeing video of the stranded sub. I think this happened in the early 80's (?). Also, there is an area due east of North Carolina which we referred to as the "Yankee Datum", where the USSR lost a Yankee class SSBN. During the entire time I was in the navy, they had either a warship or an auxiliary vessel continuously patrolling the area where the sub went down, so as to discourage any US salvage attempt. Hope this helps... Sorry if I'm repeating anything here - I just returned from vacation and have missed some of the latest list traffic. Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "RUSS SMITH" Subject Torpedo Nets To those that answered, Thank you! Regards; Russ smith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject Anybody have a spare KGV crane? I'm missing one of the two crane bases in my Tamiya 1/700 KGV, part B18. I don't really want to buy a whole sprue for just the one part, so I'm asking around first. Thanks! Joseph Poutre ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From ALROSS2@aol.com Subject Re PT19, and ELCO stationed in Samar Couldn't have been PT 19 at Samar. She was a 70' ELCO that we gave to the Brits in November 1941. Served with the 10th MTB as MTB 268. Al Ross ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From SteveWiper@aol.com Subject Re Color of USS WARD >> As Measure 21 (NAVY BLUE) was not authorized until the revised SHIPS 2 of June 1942, I submit USS WARD (DD 139) was MEASURE 11 (SEA BLUE) or MEASURE 1 (DARK GRAY or blue; as, there also were little known MEASURES 1a, 1b and 1c which I understand were largely blue.) << I think Jeff is right here. Ward was either in Ms. 1a, which I think was Sea Blue, or Ms. 11, which at that time may well have been Sea Blue, and not yet Navy Blue, which I think was the switch to Ms. 21. I have seen color films of the PH BBs and they were painted blue. My reaction to that tone of blue was that it was Sea Blue. Recently a famous author, who wishes to remain unnamed and is quite famous for his expertise with camouflage information, called me after the chastising I have taken for saying these things on the Idiotnet and told me I was correct. Now that was nice, but if you had seen the same films as I, then you would also know that, without having someone else having to confirm it. I am guessing, but think the ward was in Ms. 1a, which was Sea Blue, with Haze Gray above the funnel caps and decks in an early version of Deck Blue. Steve Wiper ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From "RAY MEHLBERGER" Subject Mini Hobby Models brand 1/350th scale U.S.S. Arizona I just went to the Hobby Lobby's 1/2 price model kit sale this week. They had this Mini Hobby Models brand 1/350th scale U.S.S. Arizona kit. I bought it. Being predominantly an armor and aircraft modeler, I don't know a lot about ship kits. I would like to get some feedback on what is thought of this particular kit accuracy?, detail?, any problems? and what accessory sets might be available for it. If this is something that has already been hashed over on this forum, I appologize. I either ignored it or missed it. Thanks for any responses. Ray Mehlberger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From BECJPARKER@aol.com Subject Hobby shops in Oklahoma City OK Are there any good hobby shops in OKC OK? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Billgior@aol.com Subject Task Force Hobbies August 20% off Sale Hi Everyone just a quick message to let you know that we are going into August and the 20% of Sale goes to the end of the month, on all Plastic and Resin kits. Remember I will match any competitor's prices and give excellent customer service. You can order by e-mail at (billgior@aol.com) or by phone at (313)295-0293 so come and check us out. Happy modeling Sincerely, Bill Giordano www.TaskForceHobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "Randy O'Malley" Subject Books for sale The following reference books from my personal collection are for sale. For more info read Bob's reviews http//www.cbrnp.com/RNP/Flower/BOOKS/index.htm. HMCS Sackville 1941-1985 by Marc Milner $15.00 Anatomy of the Ship The Flower Class Agassiz by John McKay & John Harland (hardcover,dustjacket) $45.00 Canada's Flowers History of the Corvettes of Canada 1939-1945 by Thomas G. Lynch (softcover) $30.00 Corvettes of the Royal Canadian Navy 1939-1945 by Ken Macpherson & Marc Milner (hardcover,dustjacket) $40.00 The Canadian Naval Chronicle 1939-1945; 1998 revised ed. by Fraser McKee & Robert Darlington (softcover) $30.00 Ensign 3 Flower Class Corvettes by Raven & Preston (i copy each original 1973 edition and 1978 reprint, specify when ordering) $40.00 per copy Hornblower's Ships Their History & Their Models by Martin Saville (softcover) $25.00 A behind-the-scenes look at the awrd-winning A&E television series. Anatomy of the Ship The Armed Transport Bounty by John McKay (hardcover, dustjacket) $45.00 All books are new or like-new. Prices are in $Cdn. + S & H. Receive a 10% discount when you buy 2 or more books. Pick-up or delivery in the GTA is possible. Payment is by money order cashable in Canada. Randy O'Malley Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at http//smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at http//apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume