Subject: SMML VOL 2594 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 02:25:57 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 ID for a Greek warship 2 Trumpeter 1/350 scale Nimitz 3 Re ID for a Greek warship 4 Re ID for a Greek warship 5 Re ID for Greek Warship 6 Re HMS Australia Plans 7 Fiberglass rod stock 8 Re Relentless 9 KGV Class Battleships POW etc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 Ebay item ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "David T. Okamura" Subject ID for a Greek warship " David and Alison Muir" wrote >> A large-ish warship appears in the background of the some photos of the womens Olympic beach volleyball. Two turrets, ram bow, tripod mast, cruiser stern, looks 'old'. Question 1 Any idea which ship? Question 2 more interested in the ship than the women...is there a cure? << Answer #1 That was the armored cruiser Giorgios Averoff (1907), named after the Greek millionaire who sponsored its acquisition. This ship was built in Italy and is now a museum, the last armored cruiser. Answer #2 No comment. ;-) By the way, I heard that the torch was to arrive at the port of Athens onboard the replica trireme Olympias. Was that seen during the TV coverage of the opening ceremonies? Since this trireme is actually a commissioned ship in the Greek Navy (like the USS Constitution in the USN), I always smile when I see her included in "Jane's All the World's Fighting Ships" and similar references, especially when her "engines" and "weapon systems" are listed. I recall one book once described most of the crew as "galley slaves", a tongue-in-cheek but historically inaccurate statement. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "Ray" Subject Trumpeter 1/350 scale Nimitz I got a preorder email from Trident models for the 1/350 scale Nimitz. Looks like they plan to be received on or about the 10th of September. Anyone else have a similar update? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject Re ID for a Greek warship This would be the Greek armored cruiser Giorgios Averoff Type Armored Cruiser Launched March 12, 1910 At Cantieri Orlando Shipyard in Livorno, Italy Commissioned May 16, 1911 Length 459.3 feet (140 meters) Beam 68.9 feet (21 meters) Draft 24.6 feet Displacement 10,200 tons Armament Two twin 234 mm turrets, four twin 190 mm turrets, eight 76 mm machine guns, four 76 mm anti-aircraft machine guns, six 37 mm machine guns and three torpedo tubes. Address Marina Trokadero Faliron 17510 Athens Greece Tel. 30 1 985 2578 (international), (01) 985 2578 (Greece) Fax. 30 1 983 6539 (international), (01) 983 6539 (Greece) Email bsaverof@hol.gr http//users.hol.gr/~bsaverof/ Georgios Averoff is the world's only surviving heavily armored cruiser of the early 20th century. During the Balkan Wars in 1912 and 1913, she gained her greatest glory as the Hellenic Navy fleet flagship by freeing the North and Central Aegean islands, as well as the coastal cities of East Macedonia and Thrace. In 1917, she entered World War I and served on the side of the Entente. She participated in the Asia Minor Campaign (1919-1922), carrying Greek troops to and from Smyrna. She served on the Allied side during World War II, having fled to Egypt with the rest of the fleet. She led the Greek naval force when the fleet dropped anchor in the Faliron Bay, Athens on October 17, 1944, at the end of the Nazi occupation. Averoff's last voyage was to Rhodes in May 1945, to commemorate the accession of Dodecanese from Italy. She was towed to her permanent berth in Faliron Bay in 1985, where is now open as a museum. Some webistes are http//www.steelnavy.com/AveroffTour.htm http//www.oz.net/~markhow/pre-dred/averoff.htm Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From "David Hathaway" Subject Re ID for a Greek warship Answer to Question 1 - Greek armoured cruiser Averoff, dates from WWI Answer to Question 2 - Avoid places and situations where there might be ships and you'll be fine. David ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From Subject Re ID for Greek Warship >> A large-ish warship appears in the background of the some photos of the womens Olympic beach volleyball. Two turrets, ram bow, tripod mast, cruiser stern, looks 'old'. Any idea which ship? << This is the armored cruiser "Georgios Averof" named for a Greek multimillionaire whose bequest funded a third of the construction cost. Both Greece and Turkey were after the same ship, being built as one of the Italian Pisa Class, and were negotiating with the Italian yard of Cantiere Orlando of Leghorn. In the end only Greece, thanks to the Averof bequest, could come up with the necessary deposit of £250,000 in gold. She was laid down in 1909, launched in March 1910 and commissioned in May 1911. She almost immediately sailed to England to represent Greece at the King George V Coronation Review (she performed the same function at his Silver Jubilee Review in 1937, the only foreign warship to be present at both). She played an active part in the Balkan Wars of 1912-13 where she significantly outperformed her Turkish opponents. In WW1 Greece joined Britain and France (1917) but her Navy was not called on to perform any significant duties. In WW2 Greece, after putting up a gallant fight against the Italians, succumbed to a German invasion in April 1941 while Averof escaped to Alexandria. She spent most of her WW2 service with the Royal Navy on escort duty in the Red Sea and Indian Ocean. In Oct 1944, along with other Greek warships, she returned to Greece. In 1951 Averof, by now quite obsolete, was paid off and laid up at the Salamis Navy Yard. In 1957 she was moved to what was intended to be a permanent berth off Poros Island but it was not until June 1984 that the decision was made to restore her as a museum ship. In this role she was first moored at Poros and then later to the Piraeus where she can still be seen. Her particulars Dimensions Length 459.3 ft/140 m oa; max beam 68.9 ft/21m; draught (full load) 24.6ft/7.5m. Displacement 9,450 tons (std), 10,200 tons (full load). Machinery Triple expansion 19,000 shp = 22.5 knots. Max range 2,600 miles at 12 knots. Armament 4 - 9.23 in (two turrets); 8 - 7.5 in (4 turrets); 16 - 3 in; 4 - 40 mm; 3 - 18 in TT (submerged, two broadside and one stern). Complement; 670. Michael London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "RUSS SMITH" Subject Re HMS Australia Plans Shane, All I have is R A Burt's book with two plans for the New Zealand. I too would like to find a set of plans. I have a HP Models Invincible 1/700 that I was going to add a section between the amidships turrets and scratchbuild the deckhouses and bridges. Before I do that, I'd like some better plans! I would like to build all three of that class. Good luck on your project. Russ Smith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject Fiberglass rod stock Please advise where, in the Boston, Massachusetts, USA, I can obtain a 3/16" diameter fiberglass (or aluminum) rod about 3 feet long. I have tried local hardware stores, big chains (Home Depot, Lowe's, Ace, and True Value, etc.) with no luck. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From "Michael Brown" Subject Re Relentless God knows what that contraption is on the model but she doesn't seem to have ever had it/them. John Lambert does Rapid's plans which should be an excellent starting point. Michael Brown ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From "raymond guy" Subject KGV Class Battleships POW etc Good Day All. Shane, a little bit of All Black one upmanship there from our friend in Auckland. I hope he's in mourning after Saturday's result. Good luck with your project. I need some assistance from the RN battleship buffs with the following- !) How many access doors are there on the rear of the HA 5.25 inch turret. The poor quality photos I have seem to indicate there are two, one on either side of the ladder to the turret top ? 2) Are there four access doors on A & Y turrets ie two pairs on either side of the rear of the turret? Access to B turret, was that through a wt door in the barbette facing the bridge structure as this is not apparent on any of the photos I have. 3) How accurate is the camouflage as depicted by Tamiya on their box lid of the POW.I recall there was post on this subject before a while back and I made copies of it for future reference for the time when I would get around to building both the POW and the KGV but these must have landed-up in file thirteen by mistake. Judging from the photo of the POW in Scapa during August 41 in Raven & Roberts BB's of WW11 the outline depicted by Tamiya seem fairly accurate on the port side. There is also the schematic on p356 of BB's of WW11 which does differ from the kit box especially on the starboard side bow area. 4) Shane, I will have to visit the archives to find that missing post but I seem to recall that Robert from Swindon made a large contribution to it. And finally to John at WEM your PE for the KGV's is outstanding this is an unsolicited comment from a satisfied customer. Regards to all. Ray ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Mark McKellar Subject Ebay item I have listed a nice little kit on ebay - 1905 1/700 Kersarge BB-5 item number 5915285629. It's just as it came from the factory - it's just beyond my abilities at this point. If any SMMLie wants it - I'll pick up the shipping cost - just ID yourself as a list member. 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