Subject: SMML VOL 2597 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:20:18 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Possible SMML disruption 2 Greek Warship/"last" Armored Cruiser 3 Re photographs 4 Re Unusual A/S weapons for the Type 15 fast frigates of the RN 5 Re Unusual A/S weapons for the Type 15 fast frigates of the RN -Addendum 6 Re Greek Warship/"last" Armored Cruiser 7 Re John Snyder on putty/wingy-thingy modellers 8 Re wingy-thingy modellers 9 1350 Trumpeter aircraft 10 Re Greek Warship/"last" Armored Cruiser 11 Re Last Armored Cruiser? 12 Re wingy thingy modelers 13 RN ships that never were 14 Help! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Shane & Lorna Subject Possible SMML disruption Hi all, We're off to Brisbane to attend the QMHE (Queensland Models & Hobbies Expo - http//www.qmhe.com/) and will be away for approx 5-6 days. As we are unsure at this stage whether or not we'll be able to send out SMML whilst we're up there enjoying the sun, there may be a disruption to SMML until we get back next Tuesday. If you're in Brisbane over the weekend, please drop by to the QMHE and say hello to us at the SANDLE stand. All the best, Shane & Lorna ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "Bruce Buchner" Subject Greek Warship/"last" Armored Cruiser The USS Olympia is a protected cruiser rather than an armored cruiser. The difference is in the armor layout. The armored cruiser has an armor belt to protect the waterline along with an armored deck . The protected cruiser only has a thin armored deck to protect the vitals from shell fragments. Bruce Buchner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Allen Stevens" Subject Re photographs Definately Warspite or one of her modified QE class sisters, none of the R's had the re-modelled bridge superstructure. Regards all Allen Stevens Poole, UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From "Les Pickstock" Subject Re Unusual A/S weapons for the Type 15 fast frigates of the RN The weapon mentioned is reminiscent of the "Fairlie" Mortar which was fitted to H.M.S. WHITEHALL early in the war. The Fairlie had 5 barrels designed to throw a standard sized D/C ahead of the ship. I'm willing to bet the trials were a fairly heartstopping experience (no pun intended). I'm submitting a pic to the homepage for the consideration of the group. The pic is taken from Paul Kemps "Liverpool and the Battle of the Atlantic". Photo has been uploaded to the site under Misc Refs Shane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From "Les Pickstock" Subject Re Unusual A/S weapons for the Type 15 fast frigates of the RN -Addendum Further to my last comment. I took a closer look at the pics of the model mentioned in the thread. In the long shot side view, did anyone notice that the ship appears to be carrying not one but two 3 barreled launchers at the stern (the 3 tubes of the other launcher can be seen sticking up above the superstructure.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "David T. Okamura" Subject Re Greek Warship/"last" Armored Cruiser Tom Ruprecht wrote >> I'm new to ships, but after reading the above thread, I hope that I'm not being an upstart to differ with the statements that the Greek ship is the "last armored cruiser." Aren't the Aurora (St. Petersburg (?), Russia) and the Olympia (Philadelphia, USA) also armored cruisers? Do I need to be set straight on this? << Both the Aurora and the Olympia are "protected cruisers", meaning they lack an armored belt at the waterline like "armored cruisers". Instead, they have an armored deck protecting engineering and other vital internal areas, with the optimistic hope that the edges where the deck meets the hull sides could serve as a minimal belt. Protected cruisers were theoretically lighter, faster and could cruise for longer distances than their larger armored sisters, so they were designed for scouting and commerce raiding. Depending on their size and armament, armored cruisers were used to hunt down and destroy commerce raiders, to "show the flag" at distance outposts, commerce raiding (such as von Spee's squadron in WWI), possible convoy escort, coastal defense, and to serve as a second or third-class battleship when needed. Unfortunately, being somewhere "in between" cruisers and battleships meant that armored cruisers were really unsuited for either role, being too big and slow for a cruiser, and dangerously underprotected as a battleship. But they were less expensive than true battleships, and for smaller navies they still made some sense even after battlecruisers made them obsolete. With improved technology, heavy cruisers (the successors of the armored cruiser) served quite well during WWII. David T. Okamura ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From "John Snyder" Subject Re John Snyder on putty/wingy-thingy modellers Pirie Thanks for the caveat about using the debonder trick on resin. To be sure, I've only ever used this trick on plastic models, so it's good to know the hazards! Iain Actually, we tend to use the term "floaty boaty" for those who build R/C and other operating (floating) ship models! Best regards, John Snyder White Ensign Models http//WhiteEnsignModels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From Ned Barnett Subject Re wingy-thingy modellers >> Since I've been dabbling with model ships I've come across this expression several times but I'm not sure why it is used. I am an aircraft modeller and I've never heard ship modellers referred to as "floaty-boaty modellers"! << Nope Mostly they're called "targets" Ned ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From "Mike Petersen" Subject 1350 Trumpeter aircraft I think it was here that someone posted links to the photos of the aircraft from the Nimitz airwing. Could they please post the link again? Thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject Re Greek Warship/"last" Armored Cruiser Tom The Aurora is properly a light cruiser since it mounted only 6" guns and did not have much armor. The Olympia is a protected cruiser although it was reclassed as a heavy cruiser (CA-15) from July 17, 1921 to August 8, 1921 when it was redesignated as a light cruiser (CL-8) on August 8, 1921. It was decomissioned on December 9, 1922, when it was redesignated IX-40 on June 30 1930, until it was sold on September 11, 1957. It remains as a museum ship at Penn's Landing at Philadelphia. Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From Sanartjam@aol.com Subject Re Last Armored Cruiser? Hi, Tom raises a good question about whether the Averoff is the last armored cruiser, but I believe the Aurora and Olympia were "protected cruisers" rather than armored cruisers. Art Nicholson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From "Allan and Crystal Plumb" Subject Re wingy thingy modelers Iain Wyllie said >> I can't see why the Royal Navy is the worst covered of all the major protagonists by the mainstream kit manufacturers; apart from KGV and Hood [yawn] where are the kits of other British battleships and cruisers,never mind carriers? << Urrk? I think you'd have to qualify that by "in my favorite scale", which seems to be 1/700? In 1/600, Airfix does Nelson, Warspite, Iron Duke, Ark Royal, Belfast, Repulse, and those are just the ones I have. (Some even built.) They also do KGV, Suffolk, Ajax, etc. Never mind the moderns (County, Amazon, Leander, modern Victorious, one of my first) In 1/400, there's KGV and Hood from Heller, but also Illustrious and Arromanches (almost RN, and can be modified). One could certainly say the French were not "major", but hvala bogu for Heller who do the Richelieus and Dunkerques. (And Scharnhorst and all the Deutschlands.) In 1/500, there are old kits of Revenge (built it, no longer have it) and Exeter (have it, haven't built it). That's just off the top of my head and kit list. (See Rajen's list for more, shameless plug since I have a very few entries there.) The RN could use more (I'd like a WWII Lion or a larger Exeter, please!) but it is hardly unrepresented. Allan "And a Courageous/Glorious but not Furious, please" Plumb ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From M Brown Subject RN ships that never were Mike Potter didn’t happen to find any decent drawings of the 1950 Type 42 “East Coast Gunboat” in his travels did he? In particular those unusual 4” guns they should have carried. Someone in TF72 wants to build the Chilean Almirante Class destroyers that they ended up being fitted to but decent drawings of the ship or turrets is a problem. Type 62, was that to be the L/M class with US turrets? Michael Brown ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject Help! A friend of mine has a rather so-so model of the USS Missouri that survived a cat attack. I have been asked to put the remnants back together, but not to spend a lot of time on it, as it will be given to his 10 year old nephew. I never charge for commissions of this kind. I assembled the surviving pieces easily enough, but the humungous superstructure and mast etc. above the forward stack are completely missing. I can make up something for the kid by referring to drawings good photos, or instructions but I have none to go by. I was disappointed by the poor quality of the photographs in the vaunted Jane's American Fighting ships. I would appreciate it if someone on SMML would please send me some decent images of this part of Missouri by e-mail. I do not have sophisticated downloading capability, and great detail is not required. My e-mail address is fkbrown90@aol.com The model's owner is not angry at the cat. In fact he had the cat over for lunch, sautéed in butter and served with a good sauce and selected stir fried vegetables. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at http//smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at http//apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume