Subject: SMML VOL 2630 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 02:55:27 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Renwal Kits 2 High School math revisited 3 Early Kits 4 Re US Armed Trawlers in WWII 5 visiting Pittsbugh PA 6 Carrier Air Groups Renwal vs Revell 7 Model Ship Journal and Chris Decker 8 Trumpeter CV-8 to build Yorktown 9 Re Model Ship Journal 10 Re Model Ship Journal 11 Model Ship Journal 12 Model Ship Journal 13 Capt. Nemo's Nautilus -- thanks to all 14 CV-8 to CV-5 15 Re Model Ship Journal 16 Re Model Ship Journal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 Kits for sale 2 Task Force Hobbies 20% off sale on all resin Kits from ISW & Yankeemodelworks ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Val Kraut Subject Renwal Kits My fascination with the Renwal surface ships was - they were all in the same scale, and although a little heavy handed on details - this made a real difference to me. With Revell, the destroyer, crusier, battleship and aircraft carrier were all the same lenght - box scale. When the Japanese decided to do the WW II navy in 1/700th it was a dream come true. It's also amazing how much better our memories have made things, or a least we don't realize how far we've come in the new kits. I've built more than a few old memorables over the years - one bunch of filing and filling. Yet there's some I'll build again of they're ever rereleased. It's a shame the way some old molds will never see the light of day again. My understanding is that Revell has decided not to let Polar Lights do any more of the old Aurora kits and they won't do them themselves. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "Jim Johnson" Subject High School math revisited David Wells Wrote; >> I mean, 2x8" is 16", better than a mere 14" gun. Obviously.) << Were that ir was so. John Wayne probably thought that when he took on the Yamoto with an 8" heavy cruiser in "In Harms Way" The truth is even stranger than fiction. A lot of people think that two 2" pipes can carry as much water as a 4" pipe. In fact the 4" can carry twice as much as two 2" pipes. When you are talking about area, you use the square of the diameter. 2 X 2 =4, 4X4=16. 4+4=8, which is half as much as 16. When you are talking about volume, it increases as much as the cube of the diameter. This works perfectly if you are shooting cannon balls that are spheres. If you double the diameter of the barrel, the weight of the projectile is eight times as heavy. Since the projectile is a pointed cylinder, you can make it proportionaly longer or shorter, thus the weight of the projectile won't be exactly 8 times as heavy, but nearly so. As Casey Stengle used to say "you can look it up." I don't have the data in front of me, but a 40mm projectile is just about 8 times heavier than a 20mm. When you stop to think that there are "only" 2.1 inches difference between the Yamato's guns and the Iowas, you probably think that the Yamoto's shells are a little bigger. Well, do the math! The 16" guns projectiles are about 2/3 the weight of the 18.1" guns. You can go through the progression of 12" to 14" to 15" and see that the addition of an inch or two makes a large difference in the throw weight. The 8" projectile weights in at about 1/8 the weight of the 16". Therefore it would take 8 guns of 8" to equal one 16" gun. Amazing isn't it. Jim Johnson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Katz, Gene S" Subject Early Kits Since you'all are bringing them up, a few mindstickers for me are the Aurora German Raider, Revell's Fletcher class DD, Haven, Mission Capistrano, Randall, and FDR. I think the Revell flat-bottomed Missouri was my very first plastic warship. Gene ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From "John Snyder" Subject Re US Armed Trawlers in WWII Hi Matthew, Their decks would have been finished in accordance with the camouflage instructions contained in SHIPS-2. In other words, they'd have been painted Deck Blue 20-B. Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models http//WhiteEnsignModels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From "Reid, John (AFIT)" Subject visiting Pittsbugh PA I will be visiting Pittsburgh, PA, next month – any suggestions for places to see/shops to visit? John Reid Rome, Italy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From Subject Carrier Air Groups Renwal vs Revell The Revell Cougars indeed were not up to the much crisper detail achieved by Renwal, but it should be remembered that Revell did their F-9F's for the Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1954 while the Renwal F-9F's were done about four years later. The Renwal A-3D's did appear to be closely influenced by the Revell Forrestal's A-3D's. As far as I can remember the original (1957) issue Revell Essex did not include any F-9F's. I believe that this issue of the Essex did include F-11F's, F-8U's, A-4D's and AD-5's. If my memory serves me correctly the kit included six of each type of plane, a remarkably powerful air group for a model aircraft carrier. As I recall the Revell Essex had the first carrier planes with panel lines and were big improvements over the planes included in other carriers then on the market Revell (1954 issue) Franklin D. Roosevelt F-9F, F-4U, AD-6; Revell (1956 issue) Forrestal F-7U, FJ, F-3H, A-3D; and Aurora (1956 issue) Forrestal F-7U, F-8U, F-11F and FJ. The Renwal carrier was issued around 1958. Of course every carrier had a couple of HUP helos. A-3D's were embarked on Essex class CVA's (possibly the 27C's with steam catapults?) in 3 plane detachments first as nuclear bombers and later tankers. There is a pic on navsource.com of the USS Shangri-La with an A-3D embarked http//www.navsource.org/archives/02/023811.jpg It may be hard to believe, especially if you have ever been up next to a real Skywarrior, but there it is. Rick Lundin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From Graeme Martin Subject Model Ship Journal and Chris Decker Alas, Chris Decker now has refused to answer my emails reference my Model Ship Journal subscription for over two months. I have asked for a refund but to now avail. Until he gets in touch with me and addresses this situation to my satisfaction. I wont be purchasing anything from him again. Graeme Martin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From "Reynaga, Tim@EDD" Subject Trumpeter CV-8 to build Yorktown >> While I'm talking carriers, folks, I'm seriously considering using the Trumpeter CV-8 kit to build Yorktown (CV-5) circa 1938. Anybody out there have any ideas on what I'll have to do to retrofit the Trumpeter plastic? I know of some of the differences between CV-8 and CV-5, but don't know what else I'd have to do to refit the early-war Hornet into the pre-war Yorktown. I'd be much obliged << Jodie, If you are contemplating converting the Trumpeter CV8 you might consider using the Revell 1/480 or the Tamiya 1/700 kit instead. Although Trumpeter turned in a magnificent effort in getting a large scale CV8 to market, the basic hullform just isn't very accurate...Revell captured the lines much better. Both the Trumpeter stern and especially the bow are noticeably too blunt, and the hull midsection lacks the camber below hangar deck level characteristic of the class. Trumpeter's hull looks more like a squarish, blunt nosed freighter than a sleek CV, particularly when viewed from either end. That said, the hull problems aren't all that evident viewed from the side and the kit is otherwise excellent. For conversion to Yorktown, I would recommend the Nautilus Models 1/350 Yorktown set (the island, tripod with top, five-inch guns, 1.1 AA guns with assorted tubs, platforms and gun houses). Also, White Ensign and Gold Medal Models both have photoetch sets for the Hornet (most parts appropriate for Yorktown also). In addition, L'Arsenal has beautiful resin replacements available for the five-inch and 20mm guns, Mk. 37 directors, and 26' whaleboats. Good luck with your Yorktown! Tim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From Mike Settle Subject Re Model Ship Journal >> Has anybody else received their copy through subscription for this publication of late? After Model Ship Journal decided not to handle it's only subscription service at the start of 2004, Chris Decker of Trident Hobbies was only to keen to pick up the service and offer it to his customers. I paid for a two year international sub back in February only to have received one copy since then. << Graeme and others, I received a letter in the mail today from Chris at Trident Hobbies. Model Ship Journal has indeed ceased publication. Summer 2004, Vol 5 # 1 was the last one published. Also, per the letter, Victor Baca of MSJ is going to join with Trident Hobbies to publish a new magazine beginning in Jan 2005 that will be similar to the old Model Ship Journal. Per Chris at Trident, MSJ subscribers will be able to convert their subscriptions to the new magazine, or get a refund via either a gift certificate from Trident or a cash refund. I assume all subscribers have been sent the same letter I received today. Mike Settle ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From "keith bender" Subject Re Model Ship Journal Hi SMMLies, Sorry to tell you but the Model Ship Journal has gone out of business. I too am waiting on my photos and negs from well over 18 months ago to be returned. Please Victor if your reading this, thank you, Keith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From "Mccullough, Vincent (Mission Systems)" Subject Model Ship Journal Unfortunately, I understand that the Journal has ceased publication. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From "Loren Pike" Subject Model Ship Journal Graeme Martin had the question listed below >> Has anybody else received their copy through subscription for this publication of late? << Graeme, I, too, have been wondering and just late last week sent off a note to Mr. Decker. As of today (Monday, 9/27/04) I have not received any word. I have a receipt from Trident Hobbies (Chris Decker) for a one year subscription (see below). I am awaiting his response as I know that he is currently very busy from his relocation and the 4th hurricane to come near him. Trident Hobbies P.O. Box 570 Bellingham, MA 02019 US orders@tridenthobbies.com Ship To Bill To Loren Pike Loren Pike jbklb@airolink.com jbklb@airolink.com Order Number 6712 Placed 04/23/2004 021109 US Eastern Standard Time Code Name Quantity Price/Ea. Total MSJ1YR Model Ship Journal 1 YR Subscription . MSJ3YR MSJ1YR 1 $45.00 $45.00 As you can see, I placed my order on 4/23/04 and haven't received any Journals from him. Loren A. Pike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From "Jimmy Bloom" Subject Capt. Nemo's Nautilus -- thanks to all Just a note of thanks to all who responded with suggestions and lore about Verne's submarine. I think I now have plenty of material. I believe the Michael Crisafulli (sp?) website is a treasure trove of ideas and images.Jean-Pierre Bouvet's Nautilus Interior Elevation drawing is quite interesting......instead of a spindle shape with a gradual taper he adopts a Hunley-like design.Quite a detailed interior. Looks like a few of you have really given this some thought. I think I will go with Crisafulli's own concept as shown in his 3-d drawings. I may try it in balsa with heavy construction paper or sheet styrene for the pilot house and deck appendages, props, prop guards, etc. I have a couple of the Tokyo Disney models. While the Goff version was used in the film, I always thought that the sub had to have been awfully cramped given the size of the crew indicated. Even packing them in like they did in the German or Japanese WWII subs, it didn't seem adequate. Again, many thanks for the detailed and helpful replies. Jim Bloom Silver Spring, MD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From Charlie Jarvis Subject CV-8 to CV-5 Hi Jodie You'll have a bit of effort in order to convert Hornet to Yorktown. Nautilus has the CV-5/6 resin bridge you'll need. Plus the flight decks had some differences. There's a wooden flight deck out there for Yorktown or Enterprise, so that might help the with the conversion. You'd need to consult your resource material for that. My recommendation for a primary source with very good photographic documentation would be Steve Wiper's book on Yorktown class carriers. I'd like to try out that wooden deck myself. Anyone here get it yet? Good luck with the conversion. Charlie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From LHDockyard@aol.com Subject Re Model Ship Journal Dear Graeme As of a few weeks ago Model Ship Journal has ceased publication. There are talks of reorganization and/or restructuring but at this point in time nothing has been decided and no target dates announced. Don Spielberger Loyalhanna Dockyard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From FBustelo@aol.com Subject Re Model Ship Journal Hi Graeme, I hate to inform you that Model Ship Journal technically went belly-up and ceased publication not long after that last issue you received. Don't know what you can do about getting a refund for the balance of your subscription but I would contact Chris Decker at Trident Hobbies about this. I am sure that you are not the only one that has been affected by this situation. If you paid by credit card, you could ask your card company to intervene for services not rendered. BTW - I spoke to Victor Baca about a month or so ago and he told me there was a very good chance that a new magazine under new ownership would start publication in early 2005 with Victor as editor. Felix Bustelo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From FBustelo@aol.com Subject Kits for sale Hi Folks, I have the following kits for sale Aurora 1/600 scale USS Missouri - $20 US Revell 1/144 scale Type 206a Submarine - $12 US Heller 1/200 scale Golden Hind (Sir Francis Drake's man-o-war) - $15 US. I would prefer US or Canadian buyers who can pay by a US Dollar money order but I would be willing to work out arrangements with buyers from other countries. If interested, email me at fbustelo@aol.com. Thanks, Felix ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From Billgior@aol.com Subject Task Force Hobbies 20% off sale on all resin Kits from ISW & Yankeemodelworks Hi Everyone I am having a fall sale on all resin ship kits 20% off retail on ISW and Yankee Modelworks ship model kits. So come and check us out Sincerely, Bill Giordano www.TaskForceHobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at http//smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at http//apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume