Subject: SMML VOL 2638 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 02:52:04 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Re Graf Spee 2 Re Mysterious emails from John Hudock 3 airwing compositions 4 HMS Hood 5 Re HMS Hood 6 Small guns vs. big ships 7 HMAS Sydney (WW1) 8 DC motor source 9 Mimi & Toutou 10 Wooden ship kit for sale in Australia 11 Titanic Benches in 1/400 12 HMCS Chicoutimi in trouble 13 George Washington Parke Custis -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 NAVAL BOOKS FOR SALE - Part 3 of List 2 NAVAL BOOKS FOR SALE - List 4 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "David T. Okamura" Subject Re Graf Spee I recall reading that since the Graf Spee was diesel-powered (still a relative novelty for large surface warships at the time of launch), she carried an onboard refinery that converted regular bunker fuel oil into diesel. This fuel distillery was hit during the battle, and there wasn't enough diesel in her tanks to make it back home. Can anyone confirm this? David T. Okamura ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "Mccullough, Vincent (Mission Systems)" Subject Re Mysterious emails from John Hudock Jack Hudock is a member of the US Naval Academy Ship Model Society in Annapolis, MD, and one heckuva good modeler. Jack is a wealth of information on a range of subjects, including both steel and sail navy. The USNASMS has, as their principal focus, the maintenance of the ship models at the Naval Academy's museum, including the spectacular Rogers collection of English dockyard models. Other members are Bob Summerall, who is the current curator of the museum, Grant Walker (one of the foremost experts on dockyard models in the world), Don Preul (a professional modeler, the D in J&D Productions), and Harry Ohanian, whose 1200 scale Yamato will be featured in an upcoming issue of the Nautical Research Journal. If you are looking to get in touch with Jack, his email address is john.hudock-contractor@bmdo.osd.mil Vince McCullough Washington Ship Model Society Nautical Research Guild ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From SSachsen@actransit.org Subject airwing compositions for quantity of a given aircraft in a given squadron, USNI's "Ships & Aircraft of the US Fleet" series. unfortunately, the earlier editions are sketchy at best, but by the 11th edition more detail started appearing. these also give airwing compositions at the time of publication. for specifics of an airwing's cruise The Hook magazine. each quarterly issue lists each airwing's deployment and will give compositions for each squadron. additionally, the feature articles sometimes give a listing of compositions (including tailcodes and numbers) for the history of a given ship. the above are about as accurate as you're likely to get without having an actual copy of the cruisebook for the ship and cruise you are trying to depict. note that not always were official records of a given airwing's deployment accurate. USS Hornet was listed as having 'deployed' with a wing that it actually only transported--the squadrons were never operational aboard. you will find more of this 'paper deployment' sort of thing with WWII through Korean era cruises. there are websites that will list similar data, but the content has been drawn from the above sources. my personal favorite is http//www.ne.jp/asahi/gonavy/atsugi/index.html it is the most complete regarding deployments, tailcodes, and airwing compositions. s ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From "Chris and Kayo Amano-Langtree" Subject HMS Hood Hi All The theory advanced by Norman Andrew does not bear much examination. Hood suffered a catastrophic failure (the ship was blown in two). This comes from a magazine explosion. An explosion in the boiler room would not have had set of the fuel oil in a chain reaction as theorised by Andrew. Otherwise you would have seen a lot of other ships going down the same way. Please accept the fact that Prinz Eugen played no significant role in Hood's loss which was due to the Bismarck. The torpedo explanation is also a red herring - Ballard's exhibition was able to find intact torpedoes by the wreck of the Hood. Hood was a well armoured ship with the armour in the wrong place. Whilst 600 tons was allocated to a useless armoured conning tower the armour over the magazines was insufficient and this is where Bismarck's shell penetrated. It exploded in the aft magazines and blew Hood in two. Christopher Amano-Langtree ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From "William H. Shuey" Subject Re HMS Hood >> The few survivors of the Hood did not recall the sound of an explosion, which would certainly have accompanied a magazine explosion. Rather, a great blast of flame engulfed the ship, boiling up from the area of the boat deck. Two magazines were located in this general area, the torpedo rooms and the 4" magazines below the aft superstructure. << Referencing a recent program on Maryland Public TV, photographs taken of the Hood lying on the bottom of the Denmark Straits make it pretty clear that the main magazines went up. Both the bow and the stern are lying separate from the main hull. Furthermore, the side of the hull appears to be blown open as well making it probable that the blasts were channeled toward the midships areas by the armor belt and structure. All told, she is a thorough wreck. It's probably a miracle that there were three survivors. >> This thought brings me back to the Bismarck's final battle, where the structural integrity of the ship prevented its sinking long after it was not able to return fire. Did the Bismarck succumb to British torpedos or to her own seacocks? A moot point, I think. << Most recent pictures of the Bismarck, taken by the same expedition that photographed the Hood also got more detailed views than Ballard's expedition due to newer camera technology. There are at least four massive torpedo holes in the side of the Bismarck's hull that they were able to access. Bill Shuey Baltimore, MD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "Erhardtsen" Subject Small guns vs. big ships Adrian Stewart´s book "The Battle Of Leyte Gulf" page 169 about the Fletcher class destroyer Johnston´s artillery attack on Kongo "..... now turned to attack battleship Kongo sighted some 7,000 yards away on her port beam, she also had her hands full. She sent 30 rounds at her huge antagonist in 40 seconds, estimating that at least half of them hit. "As far as accomplishing anything decisive, it was like bouncing paper wads off a steel helmet," admitted Lieutenant Hagen, "but we did kill some Japs and knock out a few small guns......."" (I think, I have also seen the fight described as " 70 fired, minimum 50 hit and no more damage to Kongo than scratching the paint" but I can´t find that one at the moment) On http//www.skypoint.com/members/jbp/atully03.htm (Old address - might have changed) there are an article in the series "Mysteries Of The Imperial Japanese Navy" about the sinking of Hiei. She was damaged by aerial torpedoes. The Kongo class battleships was build as battle cruisers, and there main belt was only 8" - even then, they could not be made unable to fight by 5" guns. Graff Spee was not any better protected than a cruiser. (I think the main belt was 3.5" or 4"). But the main reason fore giving up the fight, was low on ammunition and the belief, that heavy British forces was waiting. Regards Erik Erhardtsen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From "roger pearson" Subject HMAS Sydney (WW1) Hello Everyone, I vaguely remember (I think) hearing or reading somewhere that someone in Melbourne ?? may be working on a 1350 scale model of HMAS Sydney (WW1 vintage) to accompany Revell's SMS Emden. Can anybody help with the answer? Cheers, Roger Pearson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From "David N. Lombard" Subject DC motor source All, I just stumbled upon this, which may interest the RC types... http//www.hobbyengineering.com/SectionM.html David N. Lombard Rossmoor, Orange County, CA N 33 deg, 48', W 118 deg, 5' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From "Nuno Rubim" Subject Mimi & Toutou Mimi and Toutou, two 40 Foot launches, built at Twickenham on the Thames Yard ( Thorneycroft ), UK, designed as tenders for the Greek Seaplane service, according to Giles Foden, in his very interesting book "Mimi and Toutou Go Forth ". They fought with sucess in 1915 in the Tanganyika Lake, after an incredible voyage by sea, road, railway and river, from England to the ex-Congo Belge. Are there any published plans of those boats? Thanks Nuno Rubim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From chris Subject Wooden ship kit for sale in Australia Hi All, I have an Artesania Marie Jean kit with plank bender for sale in AUSTRALIA only. Price is $110 which includes post to anywhere in Australia. Thanks, Chris Evenden Canberra ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From "Stephen Allen" Subject Titanic Benches in 1/400 Hello all Wondering if anyone out there has a couple of the photoetch benches left over from the Tom's modelworks set intended for the 1/400 scale Titanic? The set comes with 56 benches, and I need just two, to add the right period touch to a 1924 version of Hood currently on the workbench. Happy to pay or swap - I have lots of bits and pieces of etch etc. A couple of 1/350 benches would do at a pinch. regards Steve Canberra/Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From "Ian MacCorquodale" Subject HMCS Chicoutimi in trouble Canadian submarine in trouble off Ireland WebPosted Oct 5 2004 0117 PM ADT HALIFAX ? A rescue effort is under way off of the west coast of Ireland after a Canadian military submarine with 57 people on board issued a distress call Tuesday. Military officials in Halifax said a fire broke out on HMCS Chicoutimi about 425 kilometres west of Ireland, but has since been extinguished. A diesel-electric submarine from the same class as HMCS Chicoutimi (CP photo) A couple of the members of the crew inhaled fumes, but there were no serious injuries, according to a Halifax-based military spokesperson, Mike Bonin. "Everybody on board is safe," Bonin said in an interview with the Canadian Press. "There was a small fire on board. It was quickly put out. The sub has surfaced, and is awaiting a tug to take it back to somewhere along the European coast." The sub surfaced and sent out a distress call at about 1015 EST. Emergency officials at Clyde responded. Later the submarine sent out another message saying the fire was out, but the vessel needed a tow to the nearest port. HMCS Chicoutimi, the latest addition to Canada's submarine fleet, was one of four Victoria-class submarines purchased from the British navy. It left the Faslane base in Scotland on Saturday, just after it was renamed and made the latest addition to the Canadian fleet. It was expected to arrive in Halifax Oct. 18. It is unclear how the fire on board broke out, but the Chicoutimi was forced to surface to vent the smoke. A spokesperson described the Chicoutimi as "dead in the water," or unable to move under its own power. However, some electrical power is believed to have remained on board, enabling the crew to maintain radio contact with the rescue effort. Neil Smith, a spokesperson for the Faslane submarine base on the Clyde, told the BBC the Royal Fleet Auxiliary vessel Wave Knight had been turned round, and was on its way to the scene. A Type 23 frigate, HMS Montrose, is being sent from Faslane, accompanied by tugboat support. "At this moment in time we don't have the exact details," Smith said. Mac's Naval Photography http//gwardnet.d2g.com/mac/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From Edwparent@aol.com Subject George Washington Parke Custis Dave, I believe the model you have the photo of is in the Mariner's Museum in Newport News, VA, USA. It was 122 ft. long, 14.5 ft. beam, 5.5 ft. depth of hold. I have a waterline drawing of the vessel as converted that someone gave me on page 19 of some publication, but I don't know which one; Possibly it was U.S.Naval Proceedings, April 1967. Let me know if you need more help. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Gary Mansfield" Subject NAVAL BOOKS FOR SALE - Part 3 of List Hi, Here is part 3 of the list. Please be quick in ordering they are going fast. Please note USA/Canada the postage is very expensive, £18.30 for 2LBS!! airmail. 22. DEUTSCHLAND/LUTZOW Monografie MORSKIE GB Pounds £7.50 23. BISMARK/TIRPITZ Morza 1 7.50 24. GRAF ZEPPELIN Aircraft Carrier Siegfried Breyer 7.50 25. Nelson/Rodney AJ Press 10.00 26. YUBARI Profile Morskie 21 7.50 26. HIPPER CLASS HEAVY CRUISERS Ian Allan 15.00 GONE 27. GERMAN LIGHT CRUISERS OF WORLD WAR II Gerhard Koop15.00 GONE 28. SMS SEYDLITZ Warship Profile 14 20.00 29. SMS KONIG “ “ 37 15.00 30. PEARL HARBOUR Hawail 5.00 32. RODNEY/NELSON Mano’ War 3 Rare 30.00 Many thanks to SMML GARY MANSFIELD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "Gary Mansfield" Subject NAVAL BOOKS FOR SALE - List 4 Hi, Here is the final list of naval books. USA/Canada people, please state your state/Area so that I can quote you the postage which will cost a lot! 33. SMS EMDEN Warship Profile 25 GB Pounds £10.00 34. THE KAISERS PIRATES John Walter 20.00 35. ARK ROYAL +CD-ROM 10.00 36. THE ROYAL NAVY AND THE FALKLANDS WAR David Brown GONE 20.00 37. INVINCIBLE CLASS John A. Roberts Rare 20.00 GONE 38. TIRPITZ AJ Press 10.00 39. AIRCRAFT CARRIERS OF THE WORLD Roger Chesneau 10.00 40. WARSHIPS from 1860 David Miller 5.00 41. BATTLESHIP MUSASHI Akira Yoshimura 5.00 42. JAPANESE SUBMARINE AIRCRAFT Tadeusz Januszewski 10.00 43. STRIKE FROM BENEATH THE SEA Terry C. Treadwell 10.00 44. HMS BELFAST IWM 5.00 45. USS CALIFORNIA Profile Morskie 6 7.50 46. JAPANESE CRUISERS OF THE PACIFIC WAR Lacroix/Wells 30.00 47. BATTLE OF THE ATLANTIC Costello/Hughes 10.00 48. KING GEORGE V CLASS BATTLESHIPS V. E. Tarrant 10.00 49. CONVOY Paul Kemp 8.00 50. FLEET TO FLEET ENCOUNTERS Eric Grove 10.00 51. LUFTWAFFE SEAPLANES Goss/Rauchbach 15.00 52. BATTLE FOR THE FALKLANDS NAVAL FORCES (2) 5.00 53. THE ROYAL NAVY IN THE 1980’s Paul Beaver 5.00 54. MYOKO 6 BS Publishing 7.50 55. TO SAIL NO MORE part 1 Maritime Books 5.00 GONE 56. “ “ 7 “ “ 5.00 GONE 57. ROYAL FLEET AUXILIARY IN FOCUS “ “ 5.00 58. ROYAL NAVY IN FOCUS 1920-1929 “ “ 5.00 59. ROYAL NAVY IN FOCUS WORLD WAR II “ “5.00 GONE 60. PRINZ EUGEN Warship Pictorial 21 10.00 61. IJN MYOKO CLASS CRUSERS “ “ 17 10.00 62. USS California GOLDEN STATE BATTLEWAGON Warship Series #3 10.00 63. BATTLESHIPS Anthony Preston 15.00 64. NELSON TO VANGUARD D K Brown 1o.00 65. THE GRAND FLEET D K Brown 1o.00 66. JANE’S BATTLESHIPS OF THE 20TH CENTURY 10.00 67. THE WORLD WAR II WARSHIP GUIDE 5.00 68. BRITISH WARSHIPS OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR John Roberts 15.00 Gone 69. THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF SHIPS Chris Marshall 10.00 Thats it folks, all listed. I am going again to the post office for rates and weighing books! I hope you enjoy them has I did! Might be 1600, 1700 plastic ship models for sale soon (HMS Hood, POW etc). Once again, a thank you to the kind people at SMML for helping me and all that have contacted me so far. Kind regards GARY MANSFIELD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at http//smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at http//apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume