Subject: SMML VOL 2657 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:58:42 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Re Cold War Deck Plans 2 Re Waterline models in sea diorama 3 Cable ship Cyrus Field 4 HMCS Chicoutimi photos 5 Re SS Young America 6 Lengthening an Injection Mold Hull 7 Japanese Destroyer Classes (and everything else IJN) 8 Re SS Young America 9 Re 7 turret Fletcher? 10 Nimitz carriers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Richard Sweeney Subject Re Cold War Deck Plans >> Both Mitscher, Farragut, and Belknap are available from Floating Drydock in the following plans G-DDG36 John S. McCain G-DDG40 Coontz G-DDG41 King G-CG29 Jouett G-CG33 Fox The CGN's don't have released plans since all are nuclear-powered ships, and are still restricted by National Archives. The Navy has no copies of these plans (according to an FOIA request, all have been forwarded to NARA), and National Archives won't declassify them << Hi, Having worked in a National Archives facility (A Presidential Library, sorry nothing particularly naval.) I can tell you that the Process for getting anything declassified can sometimes literally require an act of Congress. Aside from the topic matter, to declassify documents requires agreement from ALL parties involved. If the companies no longer exist or do not agree to the release, things stay classified. If people involved are dead, things stay classified. Eventually approval to release the documents can be achieved if the United States Congress passes an act to declassify them. There are times NARA can't even tell you why things are still classified, except, they can't get the approval to release the information. Last I heard, the documentation on Pearl harbor was still classified, in that case it is also a need to get aproval. Rich ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "RAY MEHLBERGER" Subject Re Waterline models in sea diorama There is an excellent article on how to create the sea/ocean around a model ship in the latest (November 2004) issue of Finescale Modeler Magazine on page 80. You might want to avail yourself of this issue. Regards, Ray Mehlberger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From rolie muise Subject Cable ship Cyrus Field I'm looking for info on the trans-Atlantic cable ship Cyrus Field. Based out of Halifax, Nova Scotia form 1925(?) to 1966. I need plans, pics anything that could be used to build a model. Thanks, rolie in HAlifax. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From Reynold.Oh@defence.gov.au Subject HMCS Chicoutimi photos Canadian Navy League have photos released from the BOI on the fire on Chicoutimi. The full set of photos are at the following link. http//www.navyleague.ca/eng/_templates/extLink_frame.htm?refURL=http//www.navyleague.ca/eng/ma/InDepth/subs.asp&extURL=http//www.forces.gc.ca/site/Focus/chicoutimi/index_e.asp ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From George Levine Subject Re SS Young America >> The Sterling "American Scout" is an old C-2 kit that appears on eBay from time to time. There are also C-2 plans available from at least one of the plans services. << The American Scout was a Maritime Commission design C2-S-AJ5. This is a different design. While the principal dimensions are the same as the C2-S-B1, the AJ5 had a design draft of 27 feet 7 inches and a Gross Tonnage of 8,295, while the B1 had a design draft of 25 feet 9 inches and a Gross Tonnage of 6,600. I can not find my basic design drawings of Maritime Commission ships since unpacking in my new house, so can not say whether the two designs appeared identical from external appearances. I feel that they probably look different because of the time difference, the B1 contract was awarded in 1941 and the AJ5 in 1944. Note that "C2" is not a definitive design. It only indicates a cargo ship between 400 and 450 feet on the waterline. The "S" indicates single screw steam propelled, the letters in the third group indicates the design with a number indicating a design variation. George Levine At anchor in Edgewater Florida ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "Connor, Michael" Subject Lengthening an Injection Mold Hull Dear SMMLies, David Wells in Vol 2656 talked about lengthening the hull in his case to accommodate additional 5” guns on a Fletcher class. In my case I want to try to build my version of the post war “never was” “HMS Neptune”, using an Airfix “Belfast” or “Tiger” hull. The “Belfast” is nearly the correct length, but has a rounded stern. However, the “Tiger” has the correct square stern but would need lengthening. Any help would be appreciated. Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From "Reid, John (AFIT)" Subject Japanese Destroyer Classes (and everything else IJN) Question what is “Watake” class destroyer? And others built around WW1, and ex-Russian?? You need “Warships of the Imperial Japanese Navy, 1869-1945” by Jentschura, Jung and Michel, Arms and Armour Press (Lionel Leventhal), London, 1977. Best edition is the first English ed – the English reprint about 1990 has many photos too dark, and the original German (Lehmann, 1970) had a few less years’ research available. The English edition is “far more than a straight translation” as its preface says. Comes up on eBay and dealers fairs occasionally, but people who have it mostly hold onto it. Re “Watake” class, I suspect that this is a typo for “Wakatake” class – Japanese names are very easy for Anglophones to get wrong, and difficult for proof-readers to detect. The book’s index does not list a Watake, and my Japanese colleague does not recognize the word. (“Wakatake” is a small bamboo.) If so, these are late WWI smaller destroyers, think British Admiralty S class with 4.7” guns and TT in a well before the bridge like all contemporary Jap destroyer designs. Or look at page 138. There were 8 of these Wakatake, Kuretake, Sanae, Sawarabi, Asagao, Yugao (re-rated as patrol Boat 1942), Fuyo, Karukaya + 4 cancelled due to Washington Treaty. The basic design started with Momo class (4 units, 1916/17), then Enoki (6, 1917/18), Momi (21, 1919/23) – none of these survived into WW2 as destroyers but several were still extant as patrol boats and training vessels. John Reid, Rome ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From CapnAgee@aol.com Subject Re SS Young America Most of us who have built the old American Scout probably would have liked to have known that Lee Upshaw makes a C-2 hull to build the ship. Check the Scale Shipyard's catalogue site at www.scaleshipyard.com. It's a lot cheaper and faster than looking for the Sterling kit on that website which shall remain nameless. Ray Agee Tempe, Arizona ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From AAA Hobby Supply Subject Re 7 turret Fletcher? Dave, you missed the most obvious 7-gun conversion. Replace two of the single mounts with the twin mounts of the Sumner/Gearing classes. I couldn't find the reference anywhere in my quick scan, but I do think the 7-gun DD was one scheme considered for what became the Gearings, which were little more larger improved Fletchers. It seems that the 8-gun DD was another - both of which added a mount above the rear mount, but was dropped in favor of more 40mm mounts. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From GUSDOCVILL@aol.com Subject Nimitz carriers Have six Nimitz to build. When did they gain all the round domes on the island, flight deck edge, etc.? When, if so, did they lose the Belknap Mast? Any of the Nimitz ever have the lower portion of the island painted black ? From when to when? Grace and peace of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, bless you and your beloved family forever. Gus Semper Fi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at http//smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at http//apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume