Subject: SMML VOL 2660 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:27:36 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Re Foxtrot submarine 2 Re Cold War Deck Plans 3 Re 7 turret Fletcher 4 Re SSBNSubmarine plans 5 Re the Mystery weapon on official model of RN Type 15 frigate ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1 Nov 13, 2004, NJ Ship Model Society Exhibit ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Ives100@aol.com Subject Re Foxtrot submarine There are no commercial kits, polystyrene or resin, of the Foxtrot class to my knowledge. The closest you might come (and not very close at that) would be the Seawolf/Torpedo Golf SSB resin kit, or the Sewaolf/Torpedo Julliett SSG class kit. You also might be able to convert the Trumpeter diesel submarines into a Foxtrot, although they are quite some ways away from that hull. There is a ready made Foxtrot model, extremely pricey, at http//secure.sovietski.com/prods/prod_200536.html Tom Dougherty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "William H. Shuey" Subject Re Cold War Deck Plans >> In Many cases it's not that the Archives that don't want to release it, In many cases it's a Purely bureaucratic problem. As I said in many cases the companies that you need to sign off on Declassification no longer exist. In some cases things are locked until a number of people have passed away, for some reason or another. In the ship case I can't say any of the reasons I cited are the reasons that you haven't found the plans, they are just possibilities. << As a follow on to this thread, does anyone out there have a line on plans to the U.S.S. Liberty?? I have been looking at making a model of her for the Cryptologic Museum at Ft. Meade, but info appears to be nonexistent. She was a converted Victory ship used for radio intelligence work and I suspect that the nature of her work lead to shredding of the drawings when she was scrapped in the late 1970's. Bill Shuey ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Mccullough, Vincent (Mission Systems)" Subject Re 7 turret Fletcher While it's not a re-gunned Fletcher, take a look at the Atlanta class cruisers, CL-51 through -54 for starters. They are effectively super-destroyers, with 8 5"/25 turrets and two quad torpedo tubes, along with a healthy ASW suite. And right pretty too! Vince McCullough ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From Ives100@aol.com Subject Re SSBNSubmarine plans >> You can get diagrams of SSBNs, which, if anything, should be even more secret. What on earth could they be trying to keep secret? << Last time I was at the National Archives, the plans for the USS Abraham Lincoln SSBN-702, were in the archives, but restricted (Classified). My understanding was that the engineering spaces were still considered sensitive, even though she has been razor blades for well over 10 years. You can get external plans of some SSBNs, but certain features are conjectural. The arrangement of the keel ballast tank vents on the Ohio class SSBNs, for example, is still not available. I must say, though that I agree that deck plans should certainly be available. Interior arrangements, particularly on nuclear ships, is another matter. Tom Dougherty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From Reynold.Oh@defence.gov.au Subject Re the Mystery weapon on official model of RN Type 15 frigate As a soldier and modeller, I was giving a bit of stick to some RAN colleges WRT warship defences against an inbound airbourne (sea-skimming?) missile and an inbound submarine missile (= torpedo). Defences (like search methods) can be classified as passive forms or active forms, and not all modern warships are fitted with each of the systems. A modern warship, if so equiped, can deploy flares, chaft (= a cloud of metal particles = an electronic smoke screen) &/or a hovering rocket that carries a transponder in an attempt to decoy the inbound missile, then run away from the decoy systems at an angle from the missile's approach line. These are passive defence forms. Active defence takes the form of firing interceptor missiles (a sea-bourne equivalent of the US Army's Patriot missile) by an Aegis cruiser/other ship, or, as a last resort, the warship can fire a stream of bullets from its Close-In Weapons System (= CIWS/Phalanx/R2D2), down the approach line of the missile with a hope of physically hitting it with a piece of high-speed metal that might damage or destroy the missile. For defence against a torpedo, the ship can tow a noise-maker (= Nixie?) in an attempt to decoy an acoustic homing torpedo. However, the only other defence against an inbound torpedo, is to turn your stern to it, run at Flank speed (a US term) or at Battle Over-Ride speed (the RAN term), and hope that you can outrun the torpedo until its propulsion fuel is exhausted. These are passive forms. There is no active defence against an inbound torpedo. This is directly from my RAN colleges. Now, which ship-killing device - torpedo or missile - has been around the longest? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Jeff & Laura Herne Subject Nov 13, 2004, NJ Ship Model Society Exhibit For those of you within driving distance of NYC... The Ship Model Society of Northern New Jersey will be holding the 2004 Ship Model Exposition on November 13th, 2004, at the Club House of White Meadow Lake in Rockaway, New Jersey. The doors open at 10am, and the program concludes at 3pm. The event highlights and promotes the hobby of model ship building. Previous events have featured up to 100 model ships of all scales and types, from ancient Roman War Galleys to ocean liners, battleships, tugboats, and merchant vessels. Nautical lectures, how-to sessions, as well as nautical book and model vendors, will be on-hand to offer products related to the hobby of ship modeling. The event is open to the general public, and all modelers are encouraged to bring their ship models to display for the day. Weather permitting, there will be an R/C boating demonstration on the lake. Cost of the event is $3.00 for guests, $2.00 for model exhibitors. Children under 12 are free, and the Society will be donating a plastic ship model of HMS Victory to the first 20 Children under the age of 15 who attend the event. The Society encourages all skill levels of ship modelers to exhibit, and interested model exhibitors or nautical themed vendors should contact Jeff Herne via email at shipwright@optonline.net to confirm display space. Vendor space is still available, email for more information. The Ship Model Society of Northern New Jersey was formed in 1981 as a forum for ship modelers to meet and exchange ideas and information. The Society meets on the 4th Tuesday of each month at the Millburn Public Library at 730pm, and is open to the public. Visit www.njshipmodelsociety.org for more information. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at http//smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at http//apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume