Subject: SMML VOL 2700 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:43:22 +1100 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 WEM Paint and Shaking vs Stirring 2 Re WEM paints 3 Re WEM Paint Problems 4 paints 5 Ted Paris is da MAN! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 Swift Boats in stock ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Dean A. Markley" Subject WEM Paint and Shaking vs Stirring OK, I've seen the replies and as a coatings chemist, I am going to chip in my two cents worth Model paints, whether WEM or any other reputable brand differ from normal paints in that the pigments are ground extremely fine. This is to allow the paint to be applied very thin and yet still be opaque. A side effect of these finely ground pigments is that they can (and do) settle. Because of the size distributions in the particles, they will pack very tightly as they settle. This means that redispersing them takes a bit of energy. Shaking is a very inefficient way of applying that energy, hence all the suggestions to stir the paint. I would also suggest that shaking will also cause bubbles which may mar your finish. Another good reason to stir, stir, stir. Incidently, regarding the complaints of WEM paints coming out semi-glossy when they should be matte? There are two kinds of particles in paints Pigments and matting agents. The matting agents are usually silica, less commonly alumina. The amount and distribution of the silica is critical to the final gloss of the paint. That is just another reason to stir, stir, stir. OK, just my thoughts here. I hope they help. Dean ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From JOHN HODKINSON Subject Re WEM paints I have been using WEM paints for a couple of years now mainly on large models and have needed tin after tin and even when run out half way through the model and having to order more the match has been perfect not only in colour but in sheen, matt or whatever.As with other replies I must stress paints MUST BE STIRRED!! and good results should be obtained Keep on stirring Regards John Hodkinson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "John Snyder" Subject Re WEM Paint Problems Let me add one more thing on the subject proper storage and application temperatures. Paints of all types have optimum storage conditions, usually temperature-related. For Colourcoats, the optimum temperature range is about 25F - 85F. Store it at high temperatures (its flash point is 106F) and you're asking for problems. We have no way of knowing how our dealers store Colourcoats, so if you buy from a dealer in a hot part of the country.... Temperature (and humidity) also affect drying times. Colourcoats is a highly-modified alkyd formulated to dry dust free in 4 to 6 hours, hard dry in 12 hours, and re-coatable in 24 hours, at 68F (20C). Applying it at 50F (10C) could easily double the drying time. Finally, here's a tip just received from another U.S. customer "Data point - been spraying Soviet Tank Green thinned 50/50 with Mr Color Leveling Thinner (Gunze Sangyo top of the line synthetic lacquer thinner, with built-in retarder). Mixes nicely, sprays nicely (although seems to require at least a couple of coats to cover any primer base adequately), dries zippily, no weird separation problems (as happens with Xtracolor paints and the same thinner)." Best regards, John Snyder White Ensign Models http//WhiteEnsignModels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From andrew jones Subject paints Hi there..I have had problems the paints... the paint remains sticky for 48 hours after painting..i still prefer Humbrol paints, much thinner & easier for me to paint than say Revell paints I dont have one of those paint shakers (never seen them for sale in OZ) , but ws told a good way.... using a dremel (or cheaper cousins like I do) you put a match stick in the machine & you set it to the lower power & away you go...can also goto a faster setting depending on who much paint is in the tin ...seems to work ok ..as for really old tins... i end up just usually buying new tins ..so hence i end up with about 3 humbrol's 33 , 5 humbrol 75..whites hate with a passion..never been able to use anyone white paint without losing my cool..so now I am experimenting with an artist paint called Mattisse ..seems to go on smoothly for figures... next step a Red Cross german marked Italian flying boat Seasons Greetings from Oz Andrew www.apma.org.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From "Millen, Alan R." Subject Ted Paris is da MAN! What service! I recently picked up Iron Shipwright's PC-461 in 1/160th scale, and wanted to do one of the other variations on the armament used on these craft. I called Ted, and almost before I could put the phone down, the package was here! Pre-cognition? Now all I need is to find a source for twin 40mms and 3"/23 Poole guns. I may do her as a PGM. Thanks, Ted, and Merry Christmas! Alan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "shaya novak" Subject Swift Boats in stock The election is over but the Swift Boats are here. 1/48 scale http//www.totalnavy.com/swiftboats.htm The Captain at - Totalnavy.com www.totalnavy.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume