Subject: SMML VOL 2735 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:01:22 +1100 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Card models 2 Re Curtiss SO3C Seamew/USS Cleveland 3 Re 1/200 ships - specifically the Yamato... 4 Re French ships named Henri 5 1200 scale ships 6 MODELING AP-165 FROM TRUMPETER O'BRIEN 7 More Liberty Ships 8 Re Card Kits ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "D.A. den Bakker" Subject Card models Hurray for Chris Tilley. There is an enormous choice in paper models, in various scales. Prices are indeed very reasonable, and the resulting models are often amazing. Experienced modellers will upgrade them, using photo-etched railings, metal or wood for gun barrels and masts. Together with a friend, I myself run a small hobby business in paper models - among others, we have published a number of ships' models. The only naval vessel so far is the Dutch light cruiser 'De Ruyter", which was sunk in the Java Sea battle. However, we can also provide our customers with various Polish models. Many come with English instructions; however, drawings and sketches are often enough to help a builder on his way. This is also a matter of getting used to working with paper. Advice try one! Visit my website www.zeistbouwplaten.nl, and don't hesitate to mail with any questions! If you are looking for a particular ship, I may be able to find it for you. Diderick den Bakker, Holland ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From AAA Hobby Supply Subject Re Curtiss SO3C Seamew/USS Cleveland >> which aircraft was on board of CL-55 USS Cleveland, when she was in Measure 12 with splotches (1942)? Curtiss SO3C Seamew? Which camouflage scheme were used on Seamews in 1942 and which colours were used? << Here is a photo of Cleveland in late 42, wearing Ms22 with SO3Cs aboard. http//www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h55000/h55173.jpg At the time she carried 4 SO3C-1 of VCS-12. A photo of a VCS-12 plane from the Columbia appears on page 74 of Larkins' "Battleship & Cruiser Aircraft of the US Navy" and photos of the Denver planes (also VCS-12) appear on pages 211 & 212. The a/c are in the standard color scheme of the time, the Blue-gray upper surfaces (A/N603/ ~FS36118) with Light Gray lower surfaces (A/N602/ FS36440) with 60" stars on the wings all four positions (against the then current regulations which specified two positions) and 48" stars on the fuselage. There are numerals on the fuselage of the Columbia plane under the gunners positions in what appear to be 30" letters - these are missing from the Denver planes. James Corley AAA Hobby Supply www.aaahobby.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Bishop, Paul" Subject Re 1/200 ships - specifically the Yamato... I started my Yamato in 1973 and since then it has gone through several revisions. Everything that has been said re frustration, pride, anger, poor glue adhesion, just the hugeness of the beast I can echo - I have felt all of that. But if you stick with it and don't let it conquer you - you can in the end have a wonderful model that will really dwarf anything around it. True you will have to sink $$$ and not a little sweat and tears into it - but look at what you end up with. I mean you have to make or buy something rather large just to display it on. You can see what I mean from pics that I took and reside on the Modelwarships website http//www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/bb/ijn/yamato-200-pb/yamato-index.html Paul Bishop ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From "Bruno Gire" Subject Re French ships named Henri Sorry Paul French kings got up to Henri IV. He was assassinated in 1610 and then they switched to Louis (XIII to XVIII) Bruno Gire Bordeaux, France ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From Graeme Martin Subject 1200 scale ships Apart from Nichimo's Yamato monster, one can purchase a 1200 hull from the Scale Ship Yard in LA. Use the old Sterling kit as a guide and semi scratch build a very nice Missouri using blocks of balsa and covering with sheet plastic. Or there is a very expensive German semi-kit on the market called Aeronaut for ships; Tirpitz, Bismark, Scharnhorst, Graf Spee and Prinz Eugen. You can purchase these kits from most UK suppliers. And lastly there is a French kit of the liner France that builds a very handsome ship model. I have scratch built in 1200 scale for many years since there are PE railing etc. commercially on the market to enhance this scale size. It builds a model that will dominate any room without taking up too much room. See my passenger ships at my web site. www.shipmodels.co.nz Good building. Graeme Martin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From beyondsun@mindspring.com Subject MODELING AP-165 FROM TRUMPETER O'BRIEN Interesting this topic should come up now; I am considering depicting USS Prince Georges AP 165 using the Trumpeter O'Brien kit. However I am perplexed by the draft - and also the freeboard; they appear far too shallow. Navsource says AP 165 was a CRATER-class, with draft = 28.33 feet. However the draft on the Trumpy O'Brien (at 1/351.6) scales out to 20.8 feet; that's 0.26" less than required, at this scale. Likewise for the freeboard, which is (another) 0.06 scale inches less than measured from Navsource photos of these APs. So who is right? Has anyone else run into these discrepancies; can anyone explain this for me? Any help greatly appreciated! Cheers, Matty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From AZJOE1445@aol.com Subject More Liberty Ships Greetings All, After reading this thread it got me to thinking about the Trumpeter and L'Arsenal Libertys. My father did a three year tour on the U.S.S. Tutuila ARG-4. I have some photos of the ship but no plans. Does anyone think a conversion would be a difficult job and where could I find plans? The Floating Drydock does not have them and I don't know where to start with the National Archives. I think it would be a nice gift to give him to celebrate the 50th anniversary of his enlistment. Thanks for the help. Joe Kreutz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From Iscandar66@aol.com Subject Re Card Kits I haven't tried one yet, but I bought a 1200 Fly Models '44 USS California. For it's scale, I can guarantee (in storage at least) it takes up the least amount of space of all my kits. Not only is it a lot more detailed than I expected, but it came with plans to help you along. I got it through redstarmodels.com (I believe) for around $25 (after looking for some time to find it). One of these days when I can make more space I plan on breaking it out. But I want to get a smaller ship to practice on first. It might be cardstock, but the number of parts makes it look pretty daunting. Need to look for a starter kit...just haven't had the time and right now I'm busted having lost two months of work due to illness. Derek "Deke" Wakefield UES Indianola (SCL-88) The Iscandar Project - Whispers of Iscandar http//www.iscandar-66.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume