Subject: SMML VOL 2744 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 00:41:51 +1100 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Observations on WW I and WW II RN Greys 2 Re Plank on plank boat 3 Re Airbrushes 4 Post War USN Submarine Paint Colors... 5 Airbrushes 6 Re Plank on plank boat -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 USS Arthur Radford ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) George Colleen Hargreaves Subject Observations on WW I and WW II RN Greys Attached is a card of paint chips showing RN White, AP507A, AP507B, AP507C, Black, three post Jutland colours and a 1902 grey. The post Jutland colours come from "British Warships 1914-1919" by FJ Dittmar & JJ Colledge Ian Allan Ltd 1972. I have abbreviated Admiralty Fleet Order to AFO and added the date of the order to get the colour name. (AFO 5.8.02 = Admiralty Fleet Order 5th August 1902.) Michael Brown in his SMML article called “RN Weatherworks Colours 1901/1902” provided two pieces of information I used. The mix for RN white paint that is represented by WEM RN10 RN White and the final RN mix for grey in 1902. Observations WEM RN03 AP507C paint and my mix of AFO 5.8.02 when scanned and compared to a scan of a paint chip from Snyder & Short RN AP507C are identical. The difference between AFO 7.7.16 and AFO 14.7.16 are probably not noticeable in 1/700 scale. The difference between WEM RN10 RN White and AFO 19.4.17 are probably not noticeable in 1/700 scale. Comment In SMML, Michael Brown commented that HMAS Sydney paint chips were in a colour that to his eye was AP507C. Questions If AFO 5.8.02 of 1902 is AP507C, was it in use continuously through to the end of the Emden in 1914? There are many references to RN dark greys in the pre WW 1 and early war period. Are these mixes available or are photos being misinterpreted? How late into the 1920 were the very light post Jutland colours used? Ah well, thanks to those spending hours researching past greys. And remember; if grey were boring, why are there so many to chose from? Cheers, George Hargreaves Calgary Alberta Hi all, The paint chip page has been uploaded to the SMML site under Misc References Shane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "ken" Subject Re Plank on plank boat George You are probably thinking of the Kammerlander method in which models are built on a plaster plug by forming water soaked planks over the plug by applying heat with a specially shaped tip on a small (~ 30 watt) soldering iron. Fastening is done with thick CA which is accelerated by applying heat from the same iron. The method was developed by a G. Kammerlander from Germany; his company is G. Kammerlander Modellbau. In the US, his kits are available from Across-the-Pond which is, I believe, in Marblehead, MA. Kammerlander produces a pretty broad range of kits, from the simplest small craft to very complex ships like the "Duke William" and are great fun to build. Ken Youngstrom ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Andy Airlie" Subject Re Airbrushes Thanks to all who posted, Ralph Nardone's response was most welcome and very comprehensive, I was leaning towards an Aztek 470, so the warning is much appreciated. Sounds like, as with many things, that they are now assembled in a 'cheap labour' economy... which sometimes means the quality slips substantially ! Best wishes, Andy Airlie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From "ronald smith" Subject Post War USN Submarine Paint Colors... Greetings, I'm looking for information on post war USN submarine paint colors and camouflage schemes. I've noted in some of the photos and references that there appears to be several color combinations in use during the 1950's through 1960's. At this time, I am particularly interested in the USS Nautilus (SS 571) shortly after her commissioning during 1954. Some of the photos and references that I have found seem to show the Nautilus as being in color schemes ranging from an overall black, faded black or dark grey (5D), a bluish ocean grey (5O), to what appears to be a light haze grey (5H) with black decks and horizontal surfaces. Perhaps this is an issue of faded paint, poor light, artistic license or inaccurate color representation on older color photographs rather than a difference in paint schemes. If anyone has some information or knows of a suitable reference from which I could get this information I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks... Ron ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From "Kurt Van Dahm" Subject Airbrushes Ralph Nardone wrote >> Badger 200--sure, it is a single action airbrush (SA-the trigger only controls air on/off, there is a separate paint volume adjustment), but it is one of the best out there. I have one that I still use that was given to me as a Christmas gift in 1978, and it still works like brand new. I've also used the Binks Wren and Raven II--great tools. Shame that Binks doesn't make them any longer.... << Ralph Badger recently came out with the 200-20 that improves the older 200 model. It is my favorite single action brush. Also, the Badger 350 is an exact duplicate of the old Binks Wren (on which I learned) and it is great for the bigger areas such as r/c hulls. I have a 350 that I use occasionally but most jobs are done using the Badger 360 which is a dual action airbrush with both siphon (bottle underneath) or gravity feed (color cup on top) built into the same airbrush. The entire front end rotates 360 degrees so you can use it either way. No adapters required either. Take care, Kurt ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "David N. Lombard" Subject Re Plank on plank boat From Reynold.Oh@defence.gov.au >> 1. George from Sydney, Australia here. About six years ago I glimpsed a catalogue in German, selling small solid plugs, on the outside of which could be built a plank-on-plank boat. ... << Here you go http//www.gk-modellbau.de/usa/index.htm David N. Lombard Rossmoor, Orange County, CA http//www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/uncgi/Earth?imgsize=320&opt=-z&lat=33.8&ns=North&lon=118.08&ew=West&alt=7&img=learth.evif ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "shaya novak" Subject USS Arthur Radford Is home ported here at Totalnavy.com http//www.totalnavy.com/350radford.htm The Captain at - Totalnavy.com www.totalnavy.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume