Subject: SMML VOL 2747 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 03:11:58 +1100 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 USS Saratoga (CV-60) 2 Very thin metal rods 3 Re HMS Colossus 4 Re Post War USN Submarine Paint Colors 5 Jeremiah O'Brien 6 Ordering books from Italy 7 2 POUNDER FLARE LAUNCHER 8 Re Jeremiah O'Brien 9 Re HMVS Cerberus 10 Schnellboot Colors -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 Re Jeremiah O'Brien ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Glenn and Kelly Neklason" Subject USS Saratoga (CV-60) Hi All Does anybody know what Air Wing was assigned to the USS Saratoga (CV-60) during the Gulf War as well as what the squadrons were and the types of planes they flew? Thank you, Glenn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject Very thin metal rods To scratch builders In US flower shops they buy thin metal rods to wrap around bunches of cut flowers. They come in three sizes, from very tiny, medium, to large. They are perfect for scratch boat or railroad model builders. Most florists will give you some free or charge you a very modest price. They are good for ship rails, stair rails, grab irons, etc. They all are "very bendable" for unique use. Regards, John Kutina ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From 03136040@brookes.ac.uk Subject Re HMS Colossus Hello Everybody, Thanks to everyone who has helped me so far with the advice on converting the Heller 1400 Arromanches into the HMS Colossus... Just wondering now if anyone knows where I can get some nice photos to work from of the aircraft carrier? Does anyone know what the flight deck letter was e.g. HMS Invincible = N Many thanks Richard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From Ives100@aol.com Subject Re Post War USN Submarine Paint Colors >> Note that the recent photos of the damaged USS San Francisco in drydock clearly show her with a red underwater hull. << I missed the issue of SMML in which my reply came across (I suspect the "wonderful" AO(Hel)L filter- as soon as I identify another ISP....). From the above, I gather there was some talk about the red halfway down scheme. As I stated earlier, Nautilus and other submarines of that period were done in black below the waterline. At least three of the Skipjack class were completed with red halfway down (or even higher at launch), as were most of the Permits, Sturgeons, the original 41 SSBNs, the Ohio class and the Los Angeles class. Some did get black all the way around during yard periods, and colors did vary from yard to yard drydocking for individual subs. The Seawolf and Virginia class boats are now apparently coming out of manufacturing with all black schemes. Originally, the red color was "red lead" antifoul paint, back when submarines spent a great deal of time on the surface. However, black antifoul paint formulations have been available for years, and submarine now stay submerged for most of their patrols. Why the red from halfway down when there is "no one there to see it"? Speaking with Navy divers who work in Groton, there are a number of points of routine inspection they make on submarines in port. These include ballast tank flood grates, various seawater intake strainers, and a number of outlets in the hull. Most of these are on the lower half of the hull. It's a lot easier to inspect the hulls in murky waters when they are painted red rather than black. BTW, the primer coat used under the paints can be a lime green color. Nautilus is currently all black in her museum ship configuration. I live very close to the museum, so anyone wishing digital photos of Nautilus in her current condition can contact me. She was overhauled about 3 years ago (at her "birthplace", Electric Boat). In addition to fresh paint, the teak wood upper deck was replaced with a simulated wood (plastic)material, and the sail superstructure was overhauled and reinforced (years of nesting pigeons and pigeon guano had taken their toll on the metal). Her propellers (original 5 bladed, not the later ones) are on display separately, and one can take detailed photos. Tom Dougherty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From chris@libertyship.org Subject Jeremiah O'Brien The Trumpeter painting instructions are totally inaccurate. She is currently painted with off the shelf modern haze gray marine paint. During the war she was painted a color that appears to be similar to 5-O Ocean Gray. Regardless of whether you do her in modern or WWII colors these shades are available from White Ensign Models. In both cases the hull and decks should be the same color. During the war there was not a black boot topping stripe (the white stripe appears to have been completely made up by Trumpeter). The waterline between the red hull paint should be painted a scale 10 feet up from the keel. Regards, Chris Friedenbach Crewmember, SS Jeremiah O’Brien ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From ALROSS2@aol.com Subject Ordering books from Italy There are a number of books I'd like to get from TUTTOSTORIA in Parma, Italy, but they don't take charge cards on their website. Any suggestions from folks who have purchased Italian naval books online? Al Ross ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From M Brown Subject 2 POUNDER FLARE LAUNCHER I have some plans for the Type 41 & 61 frigates which show two 2 pounder flare launchers to be mounted aft of the bridge near the mast. The drawing looks like a single shot "weapon" but is very indistinct. It looks vaguely like an old semaphore. Has anyone ever seen a drawing or photo of this contraption? Regards, Michael Brown ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From "Mccullough, Vincent \(Mission Systems\)" Subject Re Jeremiah O'Brien Liberty ships were generally painted with Ocean Grey -- significantly darker than the Haze Gray used on warships. Look at most pictures of Liberties alongside of warships and you will see that they are generally much darker. Vince McCullough ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From carpo5@optusnet.com.au Subject Re HMVS Cerberus Will we see it in 1/350!!!! I am just too busy (lazy) to scratchbuild this one!!!! Surely an historically significant vessel worthy of manufacturing in 'The Manly' scale!!!! Carpo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From Avi Nachshoni Subject Schnellboot Colors I am interested if anyone knows whether any Schnellboots were painted in anything other than Schnellbootweiss? What color are Schnellboot decks? Thanks, Zehavi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "John Snyder" Subject Re Jeremiah O'Brien Hello Carsten, The Haze Gray you are looking for is available in our Colourcoats enamels, item number US 05. Some Liberty ships were painted in the darker Ocean Gray which is our item number US 06. You can order direct from us from our secure website. Our Colourcoats enamels are also available in Germany from NNT NNT Modell + Buch Versand, Schweizerblick 25, D 79713 Bad Sackingen/Harpolingen, e-mail NNTModell@t-online.de Best regards, John Snyder White Ensign Models http//WhiteEnsignModels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume