Subject: SMML VOL 2787 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 02:30:25 +1100 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Re BB NC 2 Re Custom Built US Navy Aircraft Carrier USS Enterprise 3 Re Ice Cream Cream Barge 4 Transfering plans to wood 5 Enterprize 6 Re Plans transfer to wood 7 HMS Hood photograph 8 LOST PHOTO OF HOOD/1-400 submarine KIT WANTED 9 Lost photo of HMS Hood 10 Plans transfer to wood 11 Re Ice Cream Barges 12 Re Plans transfer to wood 13 Attaching plans to wood 14 Transfering plans to wood 15 Transferrring patterns 16 Safety lapses plague oil tankers 17 Re Ice Cream Barges 18 Sub prop - this way or that way? 19 Re Lost photo of HMS Hood 20 The Sinking of the battlecruiser SMS Lutzow at Jutland 1916 21 New (?) Aoshima and Bismarck kits -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 Items FS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From SSachsen@actransit.org Subject Re BB NC >> What are the dates of each of the paint schemes on the USS North Carolina from the date of her commissioning or where would I need to look to find this information? Thanks << I would think the actual ship museum would be a place to start http//www.battleshipnc.com/page1.php the folks there are rather knowledgeable about their ship and do have some publications related to her. a direct request might provide what you're looking for. s ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From Gary Subject Re Custom Built US Navy Aircraft Carrier USS Enterprise The builder was actually a member of our local club back in the late '80s and to his first meeting he brought the completed island. Impressive might be an understatement. Many in our group built some of the aircraft on display, including an incredible Hawkeye with everything folded and dropped. I built three Tomcats for it, quite a fun "group" build. IIRC his original intention was to have it displayed at either the Naval Air Museum in Pensacola or some other Museum. When he moved out to Texas we all pretty much lost touch. It does look quite awesome!! Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From BRADFORD CHAUCER Subject Re Ice Cream Cream Barge >> 1. George Oh from Sydney, Australia here. I came across this item in http//www.members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/1941.html In 1945, the US Navy had commissioned 2 x 1-million dollar ICE CREAM BARGES. They (no names, numbers or designations) produced ice cream (only) for US sailors (and a very few, lucky, invited others, Iexpect) in the Pacific region. Their output was 1,500 gallons per hour. They were concrete-hulled and, not having an intergral engine, they had to be towed by a tug or other ship. One, was off Naha (where?) and was commanded by MAJOR (hardly a US Navy rank) Charles Zeigler. 2. Is this fair dinkum? Or is equivalent to an urban myth? << True story, see http//www.ww2pacific.com/concship.html Concrete Ships This passage in John Costello's "The Pacific War" (recommended) sparked some memories. "The Service Force Pacific Fleet had been created under Vice Admiral William Calhoun, who had assembled an armada of transports, repair and supply vessels, and a collection of 300-foot concrete oil barges. He had established a floating navel base at Funafuti Lagoon in the Ellice Islands. Everything that the Fifth Fleet would need to sustain its 200 ships and 20,000 men, ..." The following are of WW2 era. o Thirteen barges (GSK), 350 foot, most were used as floating warehouses in the South Pacific. o Forty-nine ships and lighters. Twenty-two oil barges (YO & YOG) 375 feet, 1944, for the Navy. Twenty-two covered lighters (BLC), 265 feet, used by Army as floating warehouses. Three lighters used as refrigerated warehouses. Two Army repair ships (FMS). o A tank barge, 350 feet in 1943. o Twenty-four ships 350 feet, 1944. Two convoyed material to Europe and then were sunk as breakwaters at Normandy. Several used as stevedore training ships, convoyed to Pacific and then sunk as breakwaters. Others sunk as breakwaters or used as storage hulls on US and Canadian coasts. Several pictures today. o ICE CREAM SHIP. "The war's most unusual ship was commissioned in 1945 at a cost of around one million dollars. It was the US Navy's 'Ice Cream Barge' the world's first floating ice cream parlor. It's sole responsibility was to produce ice cream for US sailors in the Pacific region. The barge crew pumped out around 1,500 gallons every hour!" -- www.iinet.net.au/~gduncan Regards, Bradford Chaucer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From Rusty White Subject Transfering plans to wood >> Does somebody have a good way to transfer model plans to sheet balsa other than using carbon paper and tracing the images?? << Gordy, I make copies on a copier (duhhh), cut them out, then using rubber cement, glue the copy of the image to the wood. You can then cut it out and remove the paper image when you're done. Easy! Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. home of the "how to" modeling CDs flagshipmodels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From Rusty White Subject Enterprize >> $250,000? Yikes. How much for shipping and insurance! << The auction says he will ship anywhere in the world at no charge AND will set it up for you where you want. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. home of the "how to" modeling CDs flagshipmodels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From Kelvin Mok Subject Re Plans transfer to wood >> Does somebody have a good way to transfer model plans to sheet balsa other than using carbon paper and tracing the images?? << Make an extra copy or the plan and cut out the paper profiles. Use rubber glue (the type used by play school kids) to tack on paper profile to the balsa. Cut the balsa and sand to profile. Or else make a darker photocopy and iron the profile onto the balsa. The photocopier toner is a thermoplastic that will melt onto the balsa and transfer the image. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From Iain Wyllie Subject HMS Hood photograph I think you have answered your own question inasmuch as there was no ship a few hundred yards off the port beam of Hood as the salvo struck so the photo is clearly a fake. If Hood was sailing virtually due West at the time of her debacle as detailed maps of the action show and the time was 0600 how come the sun was shining from forward of the beam on the shell splashes? That would place the sun West of South, i.e. some time after noon. If you are going to fake a photo it helps to think a bit first. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From "Gary Mansfield" Subject LOST PHOTO OF HOOD/1-400 submarine KIT WANTED Hi SMML Pals! The photo is from the action against the French in 1940! I told the Hood website about this months ago! Check your references! Flagship Hood? With the Internet check 3 sources of information VERY carefully with a good search engine! Anybody got an I-400 submarine kit they do not want/sell? Willing to pay costs etc. Yes I have asked WEM! Thank you John and Caroline! Gary Mansfield ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From "Reid, John (AFIT)" Subject Lost photo of HMS Hood I would appreciate a url and path for this – not clear even which website is referenced (Google found plenty). John Reid ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From Kdg345@aol.com Subject Plans transfer to wood I did this to a model of the USS Yancey AKA-93. I ordered a 16mm film copy of the plans for that class of ships from the National Archives. From the film, I went to a local library to copy sheets of 81/2 inch by 11 inches of sections of the ship's layout. There is more information in these plans than is needed, since they include structural, electrical and plumbing to name a few. Some plans like this have a set for modeling, but mine did not. From these sheets, I taped the sections together for a complete set. I took these to a copying machine and run them until I got the scale (196) that I wanted. This way I could lay the balsa directly on the sheets and glue the balsa together deck by deck of the superstructure. I also had got some plans from "Floating Drydock", but it didn't contain all of the detail I wanted. Also, those plans faded in time so I should have recopied them at Kinkos copying service. Ken Groom ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From David Sepos Subject Re Ice Cream Barges Maybe the Major was a U.S. Marine? Naha was a city on Okinawa and scene of some very fierce fighting, so I doubt that ice cream was a staple, at least until sometime after the island was secured. HTH, Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From "Tim Perry" Subject Re Plans transfer to wood Gordy, if you photocopy the plans, then flip the copies over so the copy image is against the wood, then just use a normal iron (for pressing clothes, not soldering!!) set on quite hot, iron the back of the photocopy. The image will transfer onto the wood. It will be reversed of course, but the shape will be there, clean and crisp. Like my shirts..... Tim Perry wunwinglow www.tjpgraphics.com for digital aviation modelling www.kipperboxes.co.uk for 1200 Warship models www.cardmodels.net for the best paper and card website on the net www.bammo.org.uk for IAM motorcycle training in the Bristol area ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From "Ed Grune" Subject Attaching plans to wood Gordy asked about transferring plans to wood. I have had some success in attaching photocopies of plans to basswood and sheet styrene by using a stick glue (Uhu-stic brand). Smear it on (it goes on purple & dries clear) and when its tacky enough to the touch - lay it down on the wood/styrene. I'll roll it with the handle of an Xacto knife for good adhesion. Give it another 15 minutes or so to dry - then the part can be cut to the line using a jeweler's saw ot knife. Of course, when laying out and cuttinh make allowances for your material thickness ... Ed Grune Mansfield, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From "Ray Cockram" Subject Transfering plans to wood Gordy, A method I use is to to photocopy the plans, cut out the various parts (slightly oversize) and attach them to the Balsa or Ply with double sided tape and cut them out. It works for me mate. Ray ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From "Ray" Subject Transferrring patterns One method that I have used for years; Copy the patterns that you want to transfer on any copy machine. Lay the copy FACE DOWN on the wood that you want to mark, then wipe a cloth or paper towel that has been wetted with laquer thinner or (best bet) SIG brand "Nitrate dope" thinner across the copied image backside. The thinner will float the copy toner onto the wood and VIOLA an exact transfer, except that it will be the mirror image. If you want the transferred pattern not be a mirror image make the intial copy on a transparency, then flip the transparency sheet over which will give you a mirror image which will give you a correct transfer. It really works. Be careful with the thinners as they are quite Hot. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject Safety lapses plague oil tankers http//seattlepi.nwsource.com/specials/oiltankers/216976_polar22.asp Regards, John Kutina ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From "Roy Knight" Subject Re Ice Cream Barges Hi George, Naha is in Okinawa Japan. My dad was stationed there in the late 70's and early 80's when I was a kid. I can't remember exactly where it was on the island, but I remember that it is one of the larger pots of for the island. I hope that this helps you out. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From "Allan and Crystal Plumb" Subject Sub prop - this way or that way? Greetings. I'm working on a 1/350 Sturgeon (USS Lapon, SSN 661) and have one major question (a host of small ones). The prop which way does it rotate? From the rear, should the points of the blades be pointing clockwise, or counterclockwise? The directions are unclear and it could be done either way. For some odd reason (-) there aren't a lot of pictures of the real thing. Thanks. Allan (working on that Kirov, David) Plumb ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From BARRY FLEET Subject Re Lost photo of HMS Hood While I haven't seen the actual photo that you are referring to in the e-mail, from the description it sound suspiciously like the one taken when as part of Force H in the mediterranean she was subjected to somem high altitude bombing. This photo is of the port side and showed a number of near misses. Barry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From "Joy and Nick Rogers" Subject The Sinking of the battlecruiser SMS Lutzow at Jutland 1916 Greetings, Where can a full account of SMS Lutzow's part in the Battle of Jutland be found? In particular a description of the damage which lead to the final sinking of the battlecruiser. Attached is a webpage with an anonymous account of Lutzow's last hours written by one of her sailors. http//www.firstworldwar.com/diaries/lutzow.htm Thanks, Nick Rogers Auckland,New Zealand ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From "Axel Wolters" Subject New (?) Aoshima and Bismarck kits Hello all, I have discovered an announcement for two new Aoshima kits of german battleships "Bismarck" (No.#3423) and "Tirpitz" (No.#3424) in 1700 scale, which come together with Tamiyas Z-23 destroyer. Does anybody know, whether Aoshima still used their old molds from the 1970s or whether it is a totally new kit from this japanese manufacturer itself or maybe a tool-sharing with Trumpeter or Dragon, which have released this models last year? I didnt find any information, only a note that Aoshima did a good job by researching extensively and also that they added a separate sprue on wich are the parts which make the differences between both ships. Any information highly appreciated. Greetings to all. Axel Wolters Moenchengladbach Germany ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From BGMarshall@aol.com Subject Items FS I just a few items on eBay that may be of interest 1/72 Vikings Models "Apocalypse Run" diarama with PBR #5965282914 1978-79 Jane's Fighting Ships A group of rare pictures showing the WW2 Soviet Tupelov G-5 motor torpedo boat Best wishes to everyone, Chip Marshall; Silver Spring, Maryland USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume