Subject: SMML VOL 2788 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 03:21:03 +1100 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Re $250,000 Enterprise 2 Military Headlines 3 Sub prop - this way or that way? 4 Plans transfer to wood 5 Re Sub prop - this way or that way? 6 The Sinking of the battlecruiser SMS Lutzow at Jutland 1916 7 I-401 discovered 8 Re USS North Carolina Camo 9 Re Lutzow Battle Damage 10 Sturgeon Class SSN Prop Rotation Direction 11 new books on Fairmile Ships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 FS WW2 Italian Destroyers References 2 We carry the I-400 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Ouellette, Lawrence M" Subject Re $250,000 Enterprise >> The auction says he will ship anywhere in the world at no charge AND will set it up for you where you want. << Rusty, The auction starts at $250,000 and the reserve is unknown. It could be $250,001 or it could be $500,000. Shipping, handling and insurance are not included!! From the listing "Once the auction is completed, and payment is received, the merchandise will be shipped to the buyer. Seller will package the USS Enterprise Carrier and all associated aircraft and equipment for shipment. Builder will set-up and install at Buyers site if requested and all expenses paid. Buyer will arrange for and pay for shipping." And more "The model will be disassembled by the seller for shipping. Seller requests that he be provided transportation and accommodations by the winner to the location where the model will be assembled so that he may personally reassemble the carrier. Of course, this will be discussed between the buyer and the seller. The buyer may determine the means of transportation and assembly of the carrier. But considering the expense and uniqueness of this model, it would be to the buyers benefit to grant the sellers request. INSURANCE The winner is responsible for obtaining insurance coverage." I agree that this is an outstanding model and would love to see it displayed in a museum that has the room for it, and the extra $$$ for a case to protect it. Personally, at 250K+, I would expect the builder to re-assemble it at my location on his dime! How high is the current PowerBall jackpot? Larry Ouellette Volunteer, USS Salem (CA 139) United States Naval Shipbuilding Museum Quincy, Massachusetts, USA http//www.uss-salem.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject Military Headlines See article on USS Kennedy http//www.military.com/News/Home/0,13324,4-XX-0-DAYX20050323,00.html Regards, John Kutina ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From beyondsun@mindspring.com Subject Sub prop - this way or that way? Hi Allan, IIRC, all USN sub props rotated clockwise as viewed from astern. But also take a closer look at your prop; they always rotate away from the points. If you look at the pitch of the blades, you'll see that there is only one way it can go on the sub - otherwise, when rotating (properly) away from the points it would be driving the sub backwards! You should clearly be able to see this in 1/350 scale. (And also note for most Soviet and PRC subs kits the pitch appears to be the opposite. Is this accurate, anyone?) If still in doubt mount it per my first answer above; rotating clockwise (when viewed from behind). Cheers, Matty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From Iain Wyllie Subject Plans transfer to wood An easier way is to use a photocopy taped face down on the wood and then, running an electric iron over the copy will transfer it to the wood. It will be reversed but this is no problem as it is the outline that is required, not printing. You can do one item at a time and replace the copy to do the next item to use the wood economically. This is the best way I have found of getting an accurate transfer - no messing about with rubber glue, having the pattern slip when cutting out etc. Iain Wyllie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From ives100@aol.com Subject Re Sub prop - this way or that way? >> I'm working on a 1/350 Sturgeon (USS Lapon, SSN 661) and have one major question (a host of small ones). The prop which way does it rotate? From the rear, should the points of the blades be pointing clockwise, or counterclockwise? << It rotates clockwise when viewed from the rear. Actually, I have several photos of Sturgeons in drydock with their propellers uncovered. The Sturgeon used, IIRC a series J propeller, and that design is declassified. You can see one here http//americanhistory.si.edu/subs/anglesdangles/taming6.html The counterclockwise motion of some propellers seen in the movie "The Hunt for Red October" has an interesting story behind it.... Tom Dougherty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "david harris" Subject The Sinking of the battlecruiser SMS Lutzow at Jutland 1916 In response to >> Where can a full account of SMS Lutzow's part in the Battle of Jutland be found? In particular a description of the damage which lead to the final sinking of the battlecruiser. << Perhaps have a look at the book "Jutland, an analysis of the fighting" The book breaks the battle down into phases and gives accounts of the damage received by the ships, the effects of their own gunnery and their movements etc. It includes a reasonable amount on the Lutzow. It was first published around 1998. I got my edition around three years ago published as a Conway Classic with the ISBN 0-85177-750-3. The author is John Campbell. I found the book a very good read. Regards. David. UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From Burl Burlingame Subject I-401 discovered Check it out http//starbulletin.com/2005/03/20/news/story1.html Burl Burlingame ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From "John Snyder" Subject Re USS North Carolina Camo See also http//www.shipcamouflage.com/usn_bb.htm Best regards, John Snyder White Ensign Models http//WhiteEnsignModels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From Kr01a@aol.com Subject Re Lutzow Battle Damage Nick, John Campbell's "Jutland - An Analysis of the Fighting" goes into great detail regarding placement of hits, type of shell, etc. Show 30+ hits on the Lutzow with diagrams showing position of hits (Pgs 356-357) Covers battle damage for both sides during the battle. Ed MacDonald Kansas City, MO ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From Bill Bryant Subject Sturgeon Class SSN Prop Rotation Direction Allan, When viewed from dead astern, the prop rotates counterclockwise. HTH. Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From jeff simpson Subject new books on Fairmile Ships Although I get the impression SMML are big ship/gun enthusiasts this pair of books may be of interest. Book overview- Fairmile Ships of the Royal Australian Navy Volumes 1 and 2, edited by Peter Evans and Richard Thompson. Australian Military History Publications. Dimensions 255 x 180mm, portrait format, hardcover. English language. Price 40 Australian Dollars each. Summary interesting stories of service life, good value. Volume 1 2002 ISBN 1-876439-86-6 276 pages. This covers the WW2 Australian mainland service of Fairmile B (112 foot) and HDML (72 foot) vessels. The author served in Fairmiles but this book is not his story alone, but a survey of operations, using material gathered from many sailors over many years. The book is illustrated with maps, plans and photographs. The only criticism I would make is the photos are often small and blurry, even those taken post-war. Much of the text takes the form of personal stories, supplemented with facsimiles of operational reports, messages and newspaper clippings. The book starts with a description of the genesis of the Fairmile designs of patrol vessels for the Royal Navy. The two specific types used in Australia are detailed and illustrated in more detail. The bulk of the book covers the building of the craft (over 60 served in the RAN), the training of the crews, setting up Australian bases and operations from east to west. The vessels were involved in anti-submarine patrols but also commando raids in Timor and other offensive sorties out of Darwin. The anecdotes are well chosen and crisply edited and give a good feeling for the determination and the generally good humour of the crews of these small craft. Because these craft were not designed with sleeping accommodation, stories of base life and shore leave abound in this book. There are about fifty pages of appendixes, which include the text of war cabinet minutes as well as technical details of the ships and their armament. There is a comprehensive index of ship names and numbers and also a general index. Volume 2 2005 ISBN 1-876439-29-7 390 pages. This covers operations, boat by boat, including action in New Guinea. It has photographs of the sort of armament that was employed. It also has a 20 page chapter "After the war" which lists and describes, with some photographs, the post-war conversion of some of these craft into rescue launches, pleasure craft, ferries and whale catchers. As with volume 1 there are comprehensive appendixes. I have only just bought and flicked through volume 2, hence the brevity. Jeff Simpson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Derek Frost Subject FS WW2 Italian Destroyers References Please contact me if further information is required CLASSI “FRECCIA/FOLGORE”, “MAESTRALE” & “ORIANI”. Part 1. By E. Bagnasco & M. Brescia. 1997. SC. 128 pages. Italian text. NEW. $27.00US CLASSI “FRECCIA/FOLGORE”, “MAESTRALE” & “ORIANI”. Part 2. By E. Bagnasco & M. Brescia. 1997. SC. 143 pages. Italian text. NEW. $30.00US Thank you. Derek Frost ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "shaya novak" Subject We carry the I-400 The I-400 and other Japanese subs are stationed at our base. http//www.totalnavy.com/japanese_subs.html The Captain at - Totalnavy.com www.totalnavy.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume