Subject: SMML VOL 2790 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 00:56:10 +1100 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Re Sub Props 2 Slightly OT Brig Irving Johnson 3 More Sturgeon class answers 4 ULCC Tankers 5 FROG (ex Airfix) Ship kits (full hull) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Andy Airlie" Subject Re Sub Props If the prop rotates clockwise, what direction does it go when reversing? D Andy Airlie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From jmaze Subject Slightly OT Brig Irving Johnson Gang, ABC-News reported on air and online that the 90' 2-masted brigantine Irving Johnson ran aground off S. California Monday and that the crew and passengers were rescued by the USCG. However, there has been no follow-up as to what happened the ship. Does anyone here know? JohnM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From ives100@aol.com Subject More Sturgeon class answers >> Would a Sturgeon (specifically, USS Lapon) have had the "vertical stabilizers" (not rudders) that are depicted in the Yankee Modelworks kit, in 1974-77-ish? None of the pictures I found from that period seemed to show them, but it would require a drydock photo. << Yes, the Sturgeon class did have vertical endplate stabilizers on the sternplane ends. The Yankee Modelworks Sturgeon kit is correct for a "short hull" Sturgeon. I have a picture of USS Pogy just prior to launch and the endplates are clearly visible. You can also see them on the USS Drum in drydock here http//www.ussdrum.org/dry-dock87-1.html The only other class of US submarines to have similar vertical endplate stabilizers were the Ohio class. Despite what you see in the Hunt for Red October, the Los Angeles class does not have these endplates either. The reason for these on Sturgeons is to assist in stabilizing these submarines which had larger sails than the preceeding Permit class submarines. It was either extend the rudder (which would have interfered with the ability of the submarine to sit on the sea bottom, outside, oh say, Russian harbors) or install the end stabilizers. During pre production for the Hunt for Red October, David Merriman was hired to do some model making. Unfortunately, Boss Films that did the final special effects ended up only using his submarine screws, and had their own (incorrect) models of Dallas and the Red October built. David decided to make some of the props turn the wrong way as his silent protest. The LA model of the Dallas from the Hunt for Red October was reproduced by DML (now Dragon), leading to a whole slew of incorrect Los Angeles class models with sternplane endplates on the market and in modeler displays. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From Kelvin Mok Subject ULCC Tankers >> Hope this isn't too far off topic and has enlightened you somewhat << Hi Dave, Thanks for one helluva a great explanation. What you said fits my gut feelings about many questions on operating supersized ships. The original arguments came up on a sci.military.naval post about a 500,000 ton carrier. While such a ship is an engineering doable it is also military nonsense. I have come across elsewhere that a 800,000 ton ULCC is the practical limit. Any technical arguments on this? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From "Harold Stockton" Subject FROG (ex Airfix) Ship kits (full hull) NF-4002 1600 HMS Prince of Wales £19.99 £17.01. http//www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=NF-4002 Harold Stockton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume