Subject: SMML VOL 2799 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 00:48:24 +1000 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 trumpeters SS 21sea wolf sub 2 Re IJN Destroyer Canvas Colour at war? 3 Re FINE MOULDS 172 IJN SUBMARINE KITS 4 S-Boot Guns 5 A liquified natural gas tanker 6 pennant numbers further info 7 Re FINE MOULDS 172 IJN SUBMARINE KITS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 Juliette Class SSG 2 MAINE is done ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From HARRY GILDAY Subject trumpeters SS 21sea wolf sub Has any one built the subject trumpeter kit 1/144 scale SS 21 submarine kit . im looking for some pointers on building this kit as a static model. in case anybodys interested, dml dragon is issueing a 1/350 scale model of this sub in a few months. HARRY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From Dboykap@aol.com Subject Re IJN Destroyer Canvas Colour at war? >> Can anyone tell me what the canvas colour around the gun mantlets and on the boats was once the destroyers hit war service... I presume they didn't leave it white! << That's a really good question. Wartime B & W photos leave much to be desired but my references indicate that the natural canvas color was retained probably until '42-'43. Late war photos do indicate dark colored canvas - I've seen representations of canvas stained with grey, green or brown - take your pick. However, this may not have always been the case. Pictures of Hatsuzukara (Matsu class) coming out to meet the USS Nicholas to guide the US fleet into Tokyo Bay shows her forward 12.7 cm mantlet to be light colored. FWIW, Dan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From Ives100@aol.com Subject Re FINE MOULDS 172 IJN SUBMARINE KITS >> Has anybody built the above kits? Are they has good like Hobby Link in Japan says? (A good site). Are they plastic or resin? (different notes on the web). Any ideas on colours or decals? Any detail books out there about them? What other kits are they? (lost all my IJN notes in a computer upgrade from Microsoft! 2 weeks work gone). A new book is out in UK ref IJN I-400 submarines in July 2005 from Midland Counties in Hinckley, 250 photos around £25. Watch this space! What kits are out there, full hull? What other kits on large submarines K Class, X-1, M Class (British), Surcouf (French), etc. The same for Midget submarines, X-Craft, Seehund, Chariot etc. Static or diving, info is for my son, he has a friend with a big pool. << In response to your somewhat breathless message I was able to find only references to 1700 and 1350 scale I-400 submarines on the Hobby Link page. Searching with "Fine Moulds" brought up nothing. Searching with "I-400", I found the Combat Subs 1350 scale kit, which is very good; it is a solid resin kit with metal parts. A 172 scale I-400 would be roughly over 5 and a half feet long, as the aircraft carrying Sen-Toku subs were 400.25 feet in length. As far as the other requests, and your allusion to working submarine models, I suggest you visit and join the SubCommittee (www.subcommittee.com). They have a very active group of submarine modelers, and publish a glossy Quarterly magazine, The SubCommittee Report. One of the members has a large I-400 R/C submarine (http//subcommittee.com/old/Images6/CN_SR99_4.jpg). The magazine has numerous articles on R/C subs, a semi-regular column on submarine display models (written by Yours Truly), and articles on submarine history (currently featuring a 3 part series on US Navy Post WWII submarine development, again researched & written by me). Tom Dougherty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From Kelvin Mok Subject S-Boot Guns >> That third handwheel was used to raise and lower the pedestal, which telescoped within its base, to accommodate the height of the gunner. << Thanks. It would be to adjust the gun's height for the loader I think since both the gunners would be seated. I was on the Jermiah O'brien last February and took a good look at the bow gun. I was intrigued by the complexity of the gun sights - lots of subsidiary levers and adjustment knobs. On the photos gun sights would normally appear as simple study pipes to attach the sight rings to. The JO had both ring and lens based optical sights. The mounting had several screw and adjustments for the sight's arms that would be used to compensate for the heights of the left and the right gunners. There would probably a gun height adjustment for the loader too. I didn't realize that there is a separate (USN?) crew to man the guns, separate from the ship's crew. The crew's quarters were generous compared to the crew's quarters I saw on the BB North Carolina. Everyone on board kept telling me to visit the engine room and I was puzzled. The reason was that instead of the expected diesel engine it was a triple expansion steam engine (featured in the Titanic movie) with steam generated by oil fired boilers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject A liquified natural gas tanker http//www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-libroad0403a,0,4084155.photo Regards, John Kutina ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "bert" Subject pennant numbers further info From (TaT) I have a photo of H.M.S. Vindex, and the pennant No is clearly 15 on the hull.it was originaly R15 vide the letter/No combination of some destroyers. (Escort carriers may have been classed as destroyer size vessels) But this is conjecture on my part. Further to this "Janes fighting ships of the second WW" lists Vindex as D15, but just after the end of WW2 all destroyers with "R" pennant No's were changed to "D" again I quote an example H.M.S.Tuscan was "R56" and it became "D56" The "R" designation being reserved to A/Carriers as it is to this day. As I said in my original answer the deck 'I.D' changed from time to time in order I suppose to confuse the enemy, I don't know if it worked THEN but it certainly seems to cause confusion now! Will endeavour to send photo to the list, I do not get on very well with these new fangled contraptions in my eighty's Yours Aye (TaT) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From "Mitsuaki Kubota" Subject Re FINE MOULDS 172 IJN SUBMARINE KITS Hi Gary, >> Has anybody built the above kits? Are they has good like Hobby Link in Japan says? (A good site). Are they plastic or resin? (different notes on the web). Any ideas on colours or decals? Any detail books out there about them? What other kits are they? << I'm sorry, I don't know the detail of the kit because I don't have it. But if I remember right, IJN Midget Submarine kit (Ko-Hyoteki) and manned suicide torpedo kit (Kaiten) from Fine Molds are injection moulded ones. (Here in Japan, Fine Molds releases these kits under the label of$B!!(B"eu-II".) These kits are generally getting good evaluation from Japanese modellers or modelling magazine. Gakken releases two books on Japanese Midget subs. Titles are "Ko-Hyoteki and Koryu, Rekishi-Gunzo, History of Pacific War, No.35" (ISBN4-05-602741-2) and "Kairyu and Kaiten, Rekishi-Gunzo, History of Pacific War, No.36" (ISBN4-05-602693-9). Both book is 1800 yen. These books aren't including detailed model unlike other Gakken book, but beautiful CGs compensate it. If you build Ko-Hyoteki, former is recommended. >> What other kits on large submarines K Class, X-1, M Class (British), Surcouf (French), etc. The same for Midget submarines, X-Craft, Seehund, Chariot etc. Static or diving, info is for my son, he has a friend with a big pool. << I suppose you want to say the submarine models introduced in the address beneath. http//www5b.biglobe.ne.jp/~pitroad/cs/index.html Master moulds of these submarines are created by "Torpedo Models", very famous Japanese cottage industry manufacture, and Pit Road releases these models. Casted in mainly resin, and small white metal parts are also included in some kits of these range. Scales are 1/350 except 1/72 kits of Midget Subs. Sadly, these kits can't be play in pool, but very good ones as static models. Hope these helps. Mitsuaki Kubota ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Mac Dale Subject Juliette Class SSG Just a note to let you know I have posted a new page on the K-77 Russian Submarine. http//gwardnet.d2g.com/mac/sov.html Cheers, Ian http//gwardnet.d2g.com/mac/ Mac's Naval Photography Editor ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From ALROSS2@aol.com Subject MAINE is done I completed and mounted MAINE in her case on 4/1/05 and she's on display in the showroom. Monday, having let it sit for the weekend, I'll revisit it with a clearer head and see if I missed anything. For those of you who preordered the kit (thank you), they'll probably start packing them on Monday, so you should get yours in a week or so. Once you get to building, feedback of all kinds would be helpful. Fair warning, tho. I built the display model from production parts, so I know that everything fits... -} All new photos of the completed model are at http//alross20.tripod.com/mainekit. Al Ross ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume