Subject: SMML VOL 2819 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:51:29 +1000 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Re scales 2 WW II USN PGMs 3 Re Scales 4 Hull colors for LCM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 New "how to" ship modeling CD available! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From M Brown Subject Re scales >> Ship plans were generally 1 inch to 100 ft, 1/1200 scale. Bigger plans were easily 1/600 - hence the two main ship scales. << Most plans held by the National maritime Museum at Woolwich are 1/48 scale. Had the pleasure last year of looking at the WW1 battle cruiser Tiger's plans. All colour coded, huge & a work of art. Unfortunately, too fragile to be copied. Others are 1/12 or 1/24 scale for some smaller vessels. Modern (1960s!) coming from the Naval Dockyards were 1/96 scale. It is all about the real measurement system ie imperial not metric. Regards, Michael Brown ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject WW II USN PGMs Still looking for more PGM photos. Regards, John Kutina ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From John SLATER Subject Re Scales Just about all scales were created to approximate a whole number of real feet per inch. Traditional modelling scales represent imperial measurements. For example 1/72 scale represents 6 feet exactly to every 1 inch. 1/48 scale represents 1 foot exactly to every inch. 1/96 scale represents 8 feet exactly to every inch. Most builders models of ships were done in 1/48 scale. Modern arcitecture drawings are usually done in a metric scale of 1/100 or 1/50, where 1 cm = 1m or 1cm = 2 m. Hope that helps Regards John Slater TF 72 member Sydney Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From "\"Honest Bob\" LaBouy" Subject Hull colors for LCM I am almost through with my current project of building the Italeri LCM kit, which I have found to be a very nice kit. I have a question which may be one for the old boatswains mates out there? In spite of the Italeri instructions (and art work) indicating the underlying LCM hull should be painted in the anti-fouling red color, I believe the hull color should be black and wonder if others share my impression or have some specific knowledge that the red color may have actually been called for or used. I have searched in vain for any photos to illustrate either practice and have fallen back on “minds eye impressions” of what Mike boats were painted like. It appears to me, again calling on my often slipping memory, that small craft (and yard craft in general) were painted with the grey hull and from approximately the water line down in black, rather that the anti-fouling color which would have been utilized on larger hulls and ships. This memory is based on my personal observations while my Dad was stationed at such “garden spots” as Port Hueneme, Davisville, Coronado and Little Creek. My Dad’s speciality as a Seabee and attached to beachmaster groups was pontoon warfare using the large causeway sections deployed from LST and LSDs. In fact as the Korean war about to begin, we lived in what we called the Destroyer Housing area, just southeast of the NOB area in San Diego. Very close to our housing area there was a very extensive outdoor storage area containing hundreds of landing craft (including many LCMs) and I don’t remember seeing anything but black or all grey hulls. Is there anyone out there whose memory or knowledge can point to a more definitive answer to this question? I would really appreciate your feedback. Thanks ahead of time for your assistance and cooperation. Bob LaBouy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Rusty White Subject New "how to" ship modeling CD available! Flagship Models latest "how to" ship modeling CD "Building Submarine Models" is now available. It's written by professional modeler and published author Ken Goldman. Ken shows in great detail how he takes submarines from bland models to realistic looking works of art. He even shows how to insert a U-boat in a bottle! The CD is written and looks just like a major model magazine article except it has WAY more color photos and is considerably longer (over 10 pages). This CD isn't on our web site yet, but you can purchase using your credit card via Pay Pal or direct. Use our order form on our web site (mention which CD the funds are for) or send funds to shipmodeler@sbcglobal.net. The price is $9.95 which includes free shipping worldwide. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. 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