Subject: SMML VOL 2824 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 23:32:33 +1000 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 IPMS/US Nationals 2 Re Mothballing Battleships (was Re USN 16" Barrels and Barrel Liners) 3 Re ships catapults 4 Re 1/250 Yamato 5 Geometric symbols for U.S. carrier a/c during WWII 6 Bark Endeavour Home Again 7 Re Wire 8 Oriskany coming back to Texas.... 9 Re USN Tail Markings ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1 Small Warship Group -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 Books for sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Subject IPMS/US Nationals Greetings As per John Sheridan's request, I will be at the Nationals in Atlanta in July. I look forward to seeing many of you there again. I have a couple of questions I would like to pose to the group. First, in USN dazzle camouflage schemes, do the colors wrap around (over?) splinter shields, etc. to where the inboard sides are camouflaged as well? In WWI, when did German torpedoboats change from the all black to grey color schemes? Thanks. John Collins Franklin, TN, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "Robert Mosher" Subject Re Mothballing Battleships (was Re USN 16" Barrels and Barrel Liners) W.L. Upshaw wrote >> The reason for the New Jersey's decommissioning in 1969 were purely political. << I remember that at the time a major consideration in the decommissioning was the issue of manning levels. The crew released from each battleship was said to be sufficient for the USN to man 3-4 frigates/destroyers and the Navy concluded that it needed more hulls in the water. Any one else recall hearing this argument? What truth is there to it? (Of course, even if it was truly a key factor it doesn't mean politics - i.e.. Navy politics - wasn't involved as well - been there, seen that) Robert A. Mosher ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "George Peat" Subject Re ships catapults I have here in my home a copy of an actual Mctaggert Scots demo video of the cataplut. The firm is only about 5 minutes drive from where I stay ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From charles Huet Subject Re 1/250 Yamato I have a Doshua 1/250 Yamato. The quality is not very good and you will wind up replacing much of the kit to get a decent scale reproduction. I also have the ARII 1/250 Yamato and it is much better quality in terms of detail and accuracy without the expense of the Nichimo 1/200 Yamato. Charles Huet ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From "malcolm & gill" Subject Geometric symbols for U.S. carrier a/c during WWII Hi Jerry, Diagrams of the USN carrier “G” symbols are in Navy Air Colors Vol. 1 1911-1945 published by Squadron & Signal, also listed are the tail and wing letters that were introduced from mid 1945. Aircraft operating from Ticonderoga carried an inverted solid triangle which would of appeared on the fin/rudder, upper starboard and lower port wing (on the wings the triangle pointed towards the trailing edge).The “G” symbols were in general use between Jan and July 1945, the symbols being replaced by letters from July 45 Ticonderoga’s aircraft carried a letter V in place of the triangle after that date, in all likelihood there would have been a short period of time when both markings could of been seen on her aircraft. Regards, Malcolm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "Robert Mosher" Subject Bark Endeavour Home Again The Economist News magazine has reported that "HM Bark Endeavour, a meticulously built replica of Captain James Cook's 18th-century ship of discovery, suffered an undignified return to her home port on April 17th. Four years after last gracing Sydney Harbour, the Endeavour was to have been welcomed back by a flotilla of vessels to her berth at the National Maritime Museum. Instead, she spent hours being pulled free after running aground in shallow waters in Botany Bay, where Cook made his first Australian landing in 1770, south of where Sydney was founded 18 years later. Ever since she was launched in 1993, the Endeavour has been plagued by financial problems. The Sydney-based foundation that ran the ship handed ownership-and her debts-to the Australian government when she finally docked. After spending 12 years as a seagoing vessel with paying crew members, the Endeavour now seems destined to stay berthed in Sydney as a floating museum, with occasional outings around the harbour. Captain Cook would surely be dismayed." Further details, pictures, and info can be found at http//www.barkendeavour.com.au/ This was the ship used in the series seen here in the US on PBS called "The Ship" in which they manned her with volunteers for a living history/reality experience sailing from Sidney to Indonesia in 2001. Robert A. Mosher ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From Lester Abbey Subject Re Wire Hi Vince you wrote >> I bought some nichrome wire from Pelican a while back. They have it in relatively small quantities (though "small" will probably still last you for several years), and the service was excellent. I got the order within 2-3 days of ordering on the internet. And "infinitesimal" it is -- you can hardly even SEE 1 mil nichrome wire. One caution -- it's thin and its strong. If you try to break the 1 mil stuff with your fingers, you will end up with your fingers lying on the bench right next to your Xacto knife. Ever seen an egg slicer at work? << and then in a later SMML gave us an URL for Pelican. BUT I couldn't find any nichrome wire listed as 1 mil on their online catalog, 3 mil was the smallest - are you able to point to a product number or description for the 1 mil wire? Thanks Lester Abbey ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From Iscandar66@aol.com Subject Oriskany coming back to Texas.... Pensacola News Journal article PUBLISHED TUESDAY, MAY 3, 2005 Oriskany heading back to Texas The retired aircraft carrier Oriskany, destined for the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico south of Pensacola, is about to embark on a lengthy detour. Again. Citing concerns about safely mooring the 888-foot ship at the Port of Pensacola through the upcoming hurricane season, the Navy announced Tuesday it would tow the rust-striped hulk later this month to the Maritime Administration Beaumont Texas Reserve Fleet Facility, one of the "Mighty O's" former berths. There it will remain until at least January, when the Environmental Protection Agency is expected to complete a long-delayed model of how the Oriskany's remaining polychlorinated biphenyl's, or PCBs, will impact the environment. The relocation is the latest in a long string of delays in making the Oriskany the first Naval vessel and largest ship to be sunk intentionally as an artificial reef. Pensacola Bay Area officials involved in the process expressed frustration Tuesday that the Oriskany likely won't reach its final resting place for another year. "It's a huge disappointment not only to the community but to me," said U.S. Rep. Jeff Miller, R-Chumuckla. "It's ridiculous that it should take this long .... The EPA has exhibited once again that it puts up an unacceptable amount of red tape. Derek "Deke" Wakefield http//www.iscandar-66.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From SantMin@aol.com Subject Re USN Tail Markings Try to find a copy of the book "Color Schemes and Markings, US Navy Aircraft 1911-1950" by Bill Kilgrain. It has all the marking shown and identified in CLEAR drawings. Bob Santos Hi all, Mark Seitz has sent a picture of the tail codes in. This has been uploaded to the SMML under Misc References. Shane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From brownatfareham@surefish.co.uk Subject Small Warship Group Our website (www.smallwarshipgroup.org.uk) has been updated. Do pay us a visit - would never know what you might find! Regards Les Brown ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Derek Frost Subject Books for sale AUSTRO-HUNGARIAN BATTLESHIPS OF WORLD WAR ONE. 2003. Quality review from Croatia. Well. Ill. with 106 contemporary b/w photos. 7 color photos showing scale ship models. 13 pp with b/w scale plans. 6 pp w/col. side profiles. English/Croatian text. Sc. 96 pp. NEW. $34.00 THE BATTLESHIP SCHARNHORST. G. Koop & K-P. Schmolke. 1998. Sc. 64 pp. Scale plans, contemporary photos, camouflage details & photos of models, incl. close-ups, cross sections & detailed biblio.VG. $8.00 BATTLESHIP TIRPITZ. Koop & Schmolke. 1998.Reference for modelers, historians & naval enthusiasts. Sc. 56 pp . Scale plans, contemporary photos, camouflage details & photos of models, close-ups, cross sections . VG. $8.00 GRAF ZEPPERLIN. By Siegfried Breyer. 2004. Detailed review. Prof. Ill. w/contemporary b/w photos. b/w scale drawings. 17 pages w/computer generated drawings of close-up detail & equipment. Incl. 6 lg. sheets w/color computer generated profiles, ill. & large scale drawings of upper decks weapons & equipment, plus b/w scale plans, the 6 pp. located on 3 lg. loose-leaf sheets. Sc. 112 pp. Polish/English text. NEW. $25.00 MENDEZ NUNEZ SPANISH LIGHT CRUISER. 2003. good review . b/w photos & scale drawings. Back cover has color side view ship profiles. Sc. 32 pp. VG. Russian text. $6.00 SOVIET SUBMARINE CHASERS 122A/122 BIS PROJECTS. 2004. Modern Russian anti-sub vessels. 105 b/w photos, 3 pp w/color photos, 10 pp with b/w scale drawings, incl. interior layouts. close-up details. Sc. 72 pp. Russian Text. VG. $7.00 TAIHO. VOLUME 1. 2003. in-depth review of WW2 Japanese aircraft carrier. Prof. Ill. w/ contemporary b/w photos and drawings, Extra large 2-sided fold-out sheet of b/w scale plans 140. Extra large 2-sided sheet with computed created scale detail upper deck details in color. Sc. 76 pp. English text. NEW . $19.00 TIRPITZ. VOL.2 . Prof. Ill. review with contemporary b/w photos. Bismarck Type Battleships. Sc. 56 pp, 2 pp of color profiles, 4 pp with the drawings + two A1 separate sheets with 1200 drawings, 89 b/w photos. Polish text. NEW. Still in publishers shrink wrap. $12.00 USS DRAYTON. AMERICAN DESTROYER MAHAN CLASS. 2000. Warships in Profile Series. Ill. with b/w photos. 16 pp with b/w scale drawings showing upper deck detail including 1150, 1100 & 1700 scales. Includes 1 loose-leaf sheet with 1400 b/w scale plans and 1 loose-leaf sheet with 1400 color profiles. Sc. 56 pp. NEW. Polish text. $8.95 Prices in $US. Postage extra. Please contact me if more details required. Many thanks. Derek Frost ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume