Subject: SMML VOL 2841 Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 02:43:28 +1000 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Jeremiah O'Brien 2 Re Realistic Ice 3 Re Saving Hornet 4 Re Tacckle? 5 Re Ground "Tackle" 6 People 7 Saving HORNET 8 Re Saving Hornet 9 USS America sunk as experiment 10 1-450 Fujimi Kirishima & Hasegawa Yamato 11 Pinwheel (aircraft turning carriers) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 Site update 2 Books, Kit and Photoetch for sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From JOHNEME@aol.com Subject Jeremiah O'Brien How difficult would it be to civilianize the Trumpeter Jeremiah O'Brien into a generic civilian Liberty ship, post WW2. My initial guess would be to remove the guns and gun tubs, and paint it black hull, white superstructure, and find out the lines funnel colors. I am sure that there must be more. I think that a number of Liberty Ships went into civilian colors with their gun tubs intact. John Emery ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From SantMin@aol.com Subject Re Realistic Ice I must have missed the first posting on this but very realistic model ice can be made from paraffin, the wax sold on grocery stores for use in sealing jars when canning. Melt it and then pour to whatever thickness you want. If it's broken ice you want, break the sheet after it hardens. Acrylic gloss will make it look wet. Bob Santos ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From Jodie Peeler Subject Re Saving Hornet hello all -- Hank Lapa wrote >> Thanks for updated info. I have supported HORNET by membership from the start, but forgot the current status as historic. I wonder about having a 4th 27-Charlie as a museum. HORNET would have been my first choice. << Hate to be overly technical, but Hornet isn't a "27-Charlie." That only applied to the Essex-class ships that were converted with steam catapults. Hornet (like Yorktown) was converted under SCB-27A. The angled deck/enclosed-bow conversion was SCB-125. (Oriskany was completed to SCB-27A standards but was brought up to SCB-27C and SCB-125 standard under a program called SCB-125A.) I think I know what you meant to say, though. ) >> As if the CABOT fiasco wasn't enough, wasn't it VALLEY FORGE essentially in WW2 fit that stayed around as a test platform for several decades? << Valley Forge became an assault ship ("helicopter carrier") and served until about 1970 or so. Bunker Hill, IIRC, is the ship you're thinking of. >> lefe and death of FRANKLIN. No one in any position to make decisions on the fate of historic US Navy ships should be so allowed unless they watch this show first. << Well, while I agree with you, it is worth noting that saving a ship, and keeping her in a condition worthy of preservation and use as a museum, requires a *lot* of resources (especially money) and dedicated people-power. I hate to say it, but an awful lot of people get into the ship preservation business without realizing just what an awful lot of work it is. It's a worthwhile cause, don't get me wrong. But it requires a lot of money and resources, both of which can be extremely difficult to come by. (I write this having had peripheral involvement in two ship preservation campaigns myself, so I know a little something of which I write.) jodie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From "Tim Perry" Subject Re Tacckle? Surely, you mean 'Taynk'?........ Tim Perry wunwinglow www.tjpgraphics.com for digital aviation modelling www.kipperboxes.co.uk for 1200 Warship models www.cardmodels.net for the best paper and card website on the net www.bammo.org.uk for IAM motorcycle training in the Bristol area ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From Nick Heinbaugh Subject Re Ground "Tackle" Franklyn, I agree with you in principle. I learned the correct promounciation early in Surface Warfare Officer's School, although I learned it was only when the word was used in the term "ground tackle", as in the ship's anchors and associated equipment. Presumably if we sailed by a fisherman with his box of equipment, we would use the non-nautical pronounciation, as we would if we saw an American football player throw another to the ground. The gray area for me is the term "block and tackle". I never had cause to use that term in the Navy; "blocks", "rig", yes, but never "block and tackle", even as the ship's First Lt. So if you challenged me in a bar on how to pronounce "block & tackle", I'd decline. -) Regards, Rick Heinbaugh Seattle ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "bob evans" Subject People Anyone have any idea where I can purchase some little people (1/200 scale ) who can be made to look like merchant navy crew members? Bob Evans Canberra ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From David J Shirlaw Subject Saving HORNET The ship you're probably thinking of was Bunker Hill, which was an electronics laboratory for many years at NAS North Island. Externally retained the post-kamikaze damage repair WW II fit albeit in a mothballed status. Valley Forge, Boxer and Princeton were converted to LPH assault ships. David Shirlaw Seawaves Publishing www.seawaves.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From Richa5011@aol.com Subject Re Saving Hornet Hank asked >> As if the CABOT fiasco wasn't enough, wasn't it VALLEY FORGE essentially in WW2 fit that stayed around as a test platform for several decades? << Bunker Hill...basically retained the WWII condition until scrapped in 1973 or 74. Badly damaged late in the war, she was repaired, but was not really as structurally sound as before...would never have been used as a front line unit again, but could serve in the training and transport capacity if needed. Franklin was a similar case. Nat ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From Richa5011@aol.com Subject USS America sunk as experiment The following is a report from Associated Press Retired Carrier Sunk Off Atlantic Coast NEWPORT NEWS, Va. (AP) - The retired aircraft carrier USS America is on the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, sunk by the Navy in a series of explosive tests that upset some veterans. The 84,000-ton, 1,048-foot warship that served the Navy for 32 years rests about 60 miles off the coast and more than 6,000 feet down, according to Pat Dolan, a spokeswoman for Naval Sea Systems Command. She did not give a location, but the Navy previously said the explosions would take place off North Carolina. Dolan said the America went down May 14, finally flooded after the series of explosions over 25 days. No announcement was made at the time. Dolan did not immediately return a telephone message left Friday by The Associated Press. No warship this size or larger had ever been sunk, and plans to sink the America caused controversy. ``Not a day goes by that I don't think about it,'' said Lee McNulty, president of the USS America Foundation, which wanted to turn the ship into a museum. ``Of all the carriers, that one should have been saved, just for the name America.'' The America launched warplanes during the Vietnam War, the 1986 conflict with Libya, the first Gulf War, and over Bosnia-Herzegovina in the mid-1990s. The Navy said in March that the explosive tests would provide valuable data on survivability for the next generation of aircraft carriers, which are now in development. Since its decommissioning in 1996, the America had been moored with dozens of other inactive warships at a Navy yard in Philadelphia. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From "enrico_villa\@libero\.it" Subject 1-450 Fujimi Kirishima & Hasegawa Yamato Hi all, I have a 1-450 Fujimi Kirishima the kit overall is decent, but among other flaws, the quality of the a.a. armament is quite low (of both 127mm d.p. guns and 25mm machine guns) therefore I was thinking of the possibility to get a 1-450 Hasegawa Yamato to cannibalize the a.a. parts. My understanding is that unshielded triple 25mm and twin 127mm should be identical can someone comment on that? Also, I have never seen the Hasegawa kit, so I don't know about the quality from the short review I saw on Rajendra's list it should be not too bad...any direct experience? Thanks a lot and happy modeling! Enrico ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From "Reid, John (AFIT)" Subject Pinwheel (aircraft turning carriers) One might hope with the advent of bow thrusters that this practice is obsolete. Is BR 2092 (1954) still a current operating manual? Does anybody have any post-Korea actual examples? (10 out of 10 for the “real bridges at Toko-Ri” posting. I read that book a long time ago and always wondered how close to reality it was.) Other unusual carrier motive power a. paddlewheels – USSs Wolverine and Sable, on Great Lakes, previously discussed; b. sail – USS Franklin, wasn’t it, after her massive kamikaze hits, that needed a sail to steer a straight course, due to damage aloft and alow John Reid Rome, Italy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From PTCONSULTINGNHR@aol.com Subject Site update www.ptboatworld.com has been updated ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From fbustelo@aol.com Subject Books, Kit and Photoetch for sale Hi folks, Cleaning out some items Books Warships Perspectives #4 - Camouflage Volume I -The Royal Navy 1939 - 1941 By Alan Raven $15.00 Warships Perspectives #5 - Camouflage Volume II -The Royal Navy 1942 By Alan Raven - signed by the author on the title page $25.00 Warships Perspectives #6 - Camouflage Volume III -The Royal Navy 1943 By Alan Raven $15.00 Warship International No. 1 – 1993 $5.00 Battleship Warspite – V.E. Tarrant $20.00 Profile Morskie No. 1 – HMS Ajax - $15.00 Warship Profile # 24 – HMS Furious Pt. 2 1925-1948 - $10.00 The First Destroyers – David Lyon - $15.00 U.S. Navy Destroyers of WWII – John C. Reilly, Jr. - $15.00 That Gallant Ship – USS Yorktown CV-5 – Robert Cressman - $10.00 US Naval Weapons – Norman Friedman - $60.00 German U-Boat Bunkers Yesterday & Today – Schmeelke & Schmeelke - $6.00 Kit Heller 1/400 scale Lutzow - $20.00 Photoetch Tom's Modelworks 1/225 scale USS Oregon detail set - $28.00 Shipping extra via USPS Priority Mail. Payment by a money order - US Postal money order preferred. Sale limited to US buyers only - Canadian buyers payment by Canadian Postal money order in US dollars only. If interested, please email me at the address linked to my name above. 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