Subject: SMML VOL 2842 Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 23:47:11 +1000 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Re Scale ice 2 AFV markings on Sherman DD 3 Realistic Ice 4 1/450 Hasegawa AAs 5 Re CSS Albemarle 6 Jeremiah Obrien 7 NEED HELP - scratch building a WW II Subchaser "PGM" - converted PC 8 1144 scal Yamato 9 Re 1200 figures 10 Re "Tackle" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1 UPDATE on the SMML, modelwarships.com and Steel navy modelshippers Party ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From SceneN3D@aol.com Subject Re Scale ice Rolie If your fingertips have sufficiently thawed after taking other member's previous suggestions I have used one method for replicating "scale" (if you will) ice. Sheet Plexiglas has worked well for me and I've had some success in creating a frigid-appearing environment without the tradeoff in comfort level. In my own applications I've "scuffed" up the top surface with a fine abrasive (800 plus) to take away the high reflectance of the plexi (your choice here). Your favorite toothpaste also can do the trick. Brasso can also be used here. Use an adhesive of your choice to fix the ice to your water surface. (painted indigo or black, in my use) I like the 5-minute epoxy method. Of course the scale in which you're working will dictate the "thickness" of your plastic sheet. It usually starts at 0.010 ". Check your local plastics supplier for available types. best of luck with your "winter" project bob bracci ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From JB Subject AFV markings on Sherman DD hello all smmlers! I was ent this enquiry by an AFV/ armour modelmaker--but it has a naval issue perhaps some of the list members can assist Cheers JIM BAUMANN on behalf of JOHN T from John >> I'm struggling to find an answer to a question and I wondered if you might be able to assist? I'm currently researching certain aspects of the D-Day landings and one of the queries that I've come across is the purpose and origin of a particlular 'flag' draped over the back of Sherman DD tanks that landed on Sword Beach (so what's this got to do with ships you ask?). My current thinking is that this flag is an ID panel designed to allow the tank to be seen as it advanced inland (ie seen by gunnery officers on the destroyers providing fire support). They only appear on DD tanks, so they were only used for the first assault wave. As a modeller, I want to track down the colours used - hence the following question Could these be naval signal flags adapted to a new use? Having done a bit of digging, a friend suggested that they might be the blue/white 'N' flag used in naval signalling but that begs a question - just how large are naval signal flags? I suspect the answer is that they come in different sizes, but could they be this large? (perhaps eight foot square). Any help or suggestions would be gratefully received. << ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From rolie muise Subject Realistic Ice Thanks you Bob Santos for the tip on making realistic ice. I'll give it a try on my model of CCGS Labrador. rolie in Canada, Ice Supplier to the World ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From beyondsun@mindspring.com Subject 1/450 Hasegawa AAs Hi Enrico, Far and away the best Hasegawa 1/450 kit is their IJN Akagi. There won't be a perfect match on the AA weapons, but you'll probably examples of most of what you need in that kit. (You can cast additional copies in resin as needed). Plus, you'll have spent your money - and own - a truly great kit, rather than buy a lousy one just for some (not as good) parts... Check it out - you can usually find the Hasegawa 1/450 Akagi reasonably priced on eBay. Cheers, Matty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From "Tom Detweiler" Subject Re CSS Albemarle Hello SMMLies-- Saw a fascinating hour of TV last night on the Union torpedoing of the Confederate ironclad Albemarle, I hope many of you are able to see it, on the History channel. There was even a pretty good scale model of her motoring along that someone had built, maybe one of y'all? What struck me as I watched was, how similar the CSS Albemarle looked to the US Navy's latest LCS (Littoral Combat Ship) and the newer DD-X future destroyer! The sloping sides and nearly-flush decks made me think of the Stealth Ship designs we've seen on the Navy websites. Took me back my very first ship model build at about age 8 was the USS Monitor, with a turrent made from a tuna can. Fun! Tom Detweiler in Grass Valley ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From Kelvin Mok Subject Jeremiah Obrien >> How difficult would it be to civilianize the Trumpeter Jeremiah O'Brien into a generic civilian Liberty ship, post WW2. My initial guess would be to remove the guns and gun tubs, and paint it black hull, white superstructure, and find out the lines funnel colors. I am sure that there must be more. I think that a number of Liberty Ships went into civilian colors with their gun tubs intact. << This reminds me of a TIME magazine article I read back in the 60s. An American shipping executive was resting in hospital and, with idle time on his hands, was mulling on the problem of cargo handling. Cargo was taking too much labor to load and unload. The shipping industry was having intractable problems with the unions. Furthermore handling losses through inefficiencies, through damage and through theft was horrendous. This guy's solution was to think up of packaging cargo in standard containers. To handle those containers he dreamt up of a scheme to cut the Liberty Ships then still common in postwar use to add a plug to the hull. The rest is history. That is also as much detail as I remember and someone else will have to do the research. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject NEED HELP - scratch building a WW II Subchaser "PGM" - converted PC Need photos of WW II subchaser "PGM" that was converted from "PC" subchaser by removing the "PC" superstructure and replacing it with a smaller lower superstructure and adding extra guns and heavier gun shields. Photos of the superstructure details of the open cockpit area [like PT] are most desired. Thank you for any help or info. Regards, John Kutina ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From Graeme Martin Subject 1144 scal Yamato Got this from Mr. Lee of Soar Art who built the 1144 scale Yamato. >> Dear Graeme Martin, Thanks for your interested in our products. Our 1/144 scale Yamato battle ship is a completed model. That means this ship assembled and painted to our customer. The price of this battle ship is FOB HK USD$2,500.00 Best regards, Oliver LEE Soar art workshop << ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From david@dhathaway.freeserve.co.uk Subject Re 1200 figures Z-scale railraod figures? 1220 and not 1200 but close enough I would have thought. Preisser do a mixed box of unpainted civilians that should be convertable with a little knifework and paint. The set includes women if you need them and includes children, carthorses and cows too - now that would make an interesting deck cargo for a warship!? I just bought a box - 160 figures for UK £15 David ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject Re "Tackle" To Nick Heinbaugh From the "authentic" definitions I have, the pronunciation "taykle" seems to be limited to the nautical usage, and includes all the equipment involved, such as lines, blocks, hooks, etc. Hence the term "block and tackle" seems to be a superfluous redundancy (insofar as blocks, sheaves, pulleys, etc. are concerned), the ilk of which, up with I will not put. I concur, American football players tackle each other, we tackle a problem, a recreational fisherman has a tackle box, land based professional movers use tackle (including blocks) to hoist a piano, but seamen use "taykle" to move heavy things around on a vessel, and ground "taykle" to anchor a vessel. Now you can tayk that and put it in your pipe and smoke it! Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From JB Subject UPDATE on the SMML, modelwarships.com and Steel navy modelshippers Party hello all, the party that we are hosting on Saturday evening 02 July at my home twixt Southampton and Portsmouth( UK) is coming up fast... We have stocked up with many many crates of Beer/Wine/Juice etc etc The BBQ cooking lady and her assistant have been hired. My engineering orientated friend's and I have contriving to provide a vast fabric roof over the entire garden, terrace and pool area-- British weather is not THAT predictable--in any case it will help keep the evening damp at bay.... The band are bringing their own stage and Dance floor---modellers dancing---that will be a sight!! It has been suggested that I issue sticky nametag labels with our 'on-line' names--so that we may recognize each other..! any thoughts/comments welcome Approximately 170 or so people have confirmed-- mostly modelmakers as well as some of my marine industry colleagues-- its all boats and water anyway!! I have drawn up some directions ; these can be e-mailed to anyone who desires them, I will simply hit 'reply' to your e-mail The directions are in the form of a small attachment of about 40 kb-so ensure that the e-mail addy you are sending from can receive small attachments.... I hope to see many of you there--looking forward to meeting you all Regards JIM BAUMANN in case you have no idea what I am rattling on about.... here is the initial posting and invitation!! Hello all, here is a DATE FOR YOUR DIARY!! 02 July 2005 I will be hosting theSMML /Steel navy and Modelwarships.com and friends party at my House near Southampton UK-- It is the Saturday evening of the International Festival of the Sea held at Portsmouth Dockyard--Food/ drink/ swiming pool/ live music and 150 plus friends and modellers! ----looks like a whole Hog roast and non-pork BBQ and pasta etc as well as copious amounts of beer etc etc. It can be a 'family affair'--well behaved model aware (!) children are welocome with parents.... So as to allow me and my organising team(Katrin!) get an idea of proposed amount of catering people to order I would like if possible an RSVP with an indication of persons in group. Please e-mail me at jbys1@tiscali.co.uk or leave message on message board.... http//www.festivalofthesea.co.uk/ Hopefully see you all(?) here! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume