Subject: SMML VOL 2843 Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 03:15:53 +1000 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Re AFV markings on Sherman DD 2 Re "Tackle" 3 seawolf submarine 4 Early US Destroyer colors 5 Raytheon Wins $3 Billion Navy Contract 6 Re proper pronunciation 7 Re Jeremiah Obrien [Post WW 2 generic civilian colors] 8 Re modelshippers Party 9 People 10 Re CSS Albemarle 11 Re Saving Hornet ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Les Pickstock" Subject Re AFV markings on Sherman DD You probably know this already but I thought I'd mention it. All allied vehicles on D Day were suppose to carry a Air Recognition Panel which was bright orange in colour. This was usually secured over the rear deck of a AFV so as provide less of an aiming point to German gunners. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From Fritz Koopman Subject Re "Tackle" Hi Franklyn. One has to be careful when making "authentic" nautical translations. The Scandinavian, Celtic, Norman, and Saxon language origins for many of these words, don't have actual English or Latin based translations. Even some "experts" in the field can sometimes lose sight of this, as they try to nail them down, and proceed to miss the mark entirely. Where Taykle is concerned, the closest (but not exact) modern equivalent would be the phrases "associated gear" or "related gear" or "related items". Because of its archaic origins it neither means EXACTLY one or the other, but between the three you may get the jist. Or at least that is how I've been indoctrined to know it durring a life-time of sailing. Hence, block and Taykle is NOT REDUNDANT.... Blocks and taykle = Blocks and associated gear. Ground Taykle = Ground associated gear. or in modern parlance Bottom Tackle = bottom related gear. fishing tackle = fishing related gear.. etc and so on.. A box of taykle (tackle), is simply a box of related items, of any kind. Hope this helps Best Regards Fritz Koopman P.S. Now, as for discussing the meanings of some less archaic sayings that have more specific meanings, shall we take the classic phrase "Caught between the Devil and the deep blue sea!" -) Yes, it means a person is screwed, but do people on the List know why? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From HARRY GILDAY Subject seawolf submarine i am building trumpeters 1/144 scale seawolf submarine. i need to know what color the propeller blades are, its called the propulser. i think the color is either brass or black. if any body knows for sure please let me know. HARRY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From "Tim Burke" Subject Early US Destroyer colors SMML, I am considering tackling the Gulfstream/Commanders 1/350th kit of the USS Bainbridge (DD-1). The kit instructions say that ships in this class operated in overall gray early in their career and in overall olive green (or "bottle green") during their service in WWI. I have not found any other information to support this. If anyone has any additional data to corroborate this information and/or more detailed color scheme information for ships in this class I'd love to hear from you. Either reply to the list or contact me off list. Thanks in advance for the help. Tim Burke ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject Raytheon Wins $3 Billion Navy Contract http//www.newsday.com/business/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-raytheon-contract,0,4439802.story?coll=sns-ap-business-headlines Regards, John Kutina ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "Paul Giltz" Subject Re proper pronunciation Hey Franklyn! What is the proper pronunciation for " Norfolk, Virginia"? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From "Arthur Herrick" Subject Re Jeremiah Obrien [Post WW 2 generic civilian colors] On 24 May Kelvin Mok klmok@shaw.ca wrote >> How difficult would it be to civilianize the Trumpeter Jeremiah O'Brien into a generic civilian Liberty ship, post WW2. My initial guess would be to remove the guns and gun tubs, and paint it black hull, white superstructure, and find out the lines funnel colors. I am sure that there must be more. I think that a number of Liberty Ships went into civilian colors with their gun tubs intact. << Mat, In 1950 I was commissioned to build a 1192 waterline model of the Liberty ship CAVOLIDA (Panama registry) in her civilian livery colors. The model was built for the Avram M. Juditch Co., ship brokers, 17 State Street, NYC, NY. It was the first ship they brokered when they went into business in 1946, after WW 2. It was also my first commissioned ship model. I was a apprentice modelmaker, on the GI Bill, at Atkins & Merrill's (an industrial model company) New York City branch model shop at the time, and AVJ it seems could not afford the A&M's comercial price for the model, so I moonlighted the project based on their budget. I received $125 for the model, but in 1950, as an apprentice modelmaker, I was being paid $1.35 an hour, so I was more than happy with the $125. In todays CPI dollars, that $125 would be $955. The model was built from Boucher ( now BlueJacket ) plans and her color scheme is given below ( I have a color photo of the model .) The paint numbers given below are Micro-Mark's, Floquil Enamel Railroad Colors that I probably used, and can still be obtained from www.micromark.com , or your local hobby shop who will use Floquil's paint numbers, but you should be able to cross reference by the color's name. I was given the CAVOLIDI's livery colors by Avram M. Juditch, and the color picture I have and my long term memory says - Hull ... Medium Gray with Red below the waterline, with no boot top. [ Gray Primer #60105 ] and [ Oxide Red #60170 ] - Superstructures ... White [ Refer White #60107 with a very slight touch of Big Sky Blue #60127 ] - Lifeboats and their davits ... [ Refer White #60107 with a very slight touch of Big Sky Blue #60127 ] - Lifeboat canvas covers ... [ Dust #60172 ] - Railings and Ladderways ... White [ Refer White #60107 with a very slight touch of Big Sky Blue #60127 ] Ladderway treads Gray [ Gray Primer #60105 ] - Side Accommodation Ladders ... White [ Refer White #60107 with a very slight touch of Big Sky Blue #60127 ] with treads [ Primer #60105 ] with Gray treads [ Gray Primer #60105 ] - Decks ... Red [ Box Car Red #60133 ] - Cargo Hatch Canvas covers ...Light Gray [ Dust #60172 ] - Cargo Hatch Battens ... Dark Red [ Oxide Red #60170 ] - Anchor Winch and Cargo Winches ... [ Engine Black # 60106 ] - Funnel ... Buff with wide black band, say 1/4 the funnel height, on top. [ Depot Buff #60139 ] and [ Engine Black # 60106 ] - Three Cargo Boom Masts ... Same Buff as Funnel, aft mast was black above the level plain with the bottom of the funnel's black band. [Engine Black #60106 ] - Cargo Mast Stays ... Gray [ Letter Gray #60141 ] - Cargo booms ... Buff, with the aft mast's booms ends black, even with the black mast tops when the booms were raised to the vertical position. The upper ends of the aft mast's shrouds were also Black above this level. - Cowl Vents ... Gray with Red interior [ Letter Gray #60141 ] and [ Caboose Red #60111 ] A Painting Note After painting, all the model's components they were given a spray coat of clear flat Floquil, before final assembly. To this day I am partial to using Floquil solvent based Enamel Railroad Colors for painting ship models. As to the wartime gun tubs that you asked about ... These had been removed for CAVOLIDI's post WW 2 service. I also think the cement armor would have been removed from the face of bridge structure. I vaguely remember AMJ saying something about this. I do not know if the Trumpeter model shows this? I know it is very obvious on the Liberty Ship John Brown, which I have been aboard. Art Herrick Westmoreland, New Hampshire USA 42° 57' 47.4" N --- 72° 26' 18.9" W --- Altitude 465 ft. --- Cloudy with showers --- A raw 45° F ( Cold for May 24th ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From "Arthur Herrick" Subject Re modelshippers Party On 24 May Jim Baumann wrote >> 02 July 2005 I will be hosting the SMML /Steel navy and Modelwarships.com and friends party at my House near Southampton UK-- << Jim, My regrets that I will not be able to attend, but I am all ready committed for 2 July ~{-) .... and besides, at my age, it would be a long swim across the Big Pond. Looking to you for a complete report in SMML on the goings on at this Giant Bash. My best, Art Herrick Westmoreland, New Hampshire USA 42° 57' 47.4" N --- 72° 26' 18.9" W --- Altitude 465 ft. --- Raw, Cloudy and showers all day --- 46° F ( Cold for the 24th of May ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From "bob evans" Subject People My thanks to David for the suggestion of z scale railway figures. Maybe a strange cargo for a warship, but this is a merchant vessel so probably only the children might be out of place for the period (1950)! Any advice as to a supplier anyone? Thanks again. Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From SANDYMOOR@aol.com Subject Re CSS Albemarle Hi Tom, I'm sorry I missed the History Channel show, but FYI, check out this website- http//livinghistoryweekend.com/ Its for Plymouth, North Carolina's annual Civil War Weekend which features an operational 63' replica of the CSS Albemarle. Every year they stage a re-enactment of the land and river battle and its quite a sight to see. Regards, Sandy Moorman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From "Steven P. Allen" Subject Re Saving Hornet >> Bunker Hill...basically retained the WWII condition until scrapped in 1973 or 74. Badly damaged late in the war, she was repaired, but was not really as structurally sound as before...would never have been used as a front line unit again, but could serve in the training and transport capacity if needed. Franklin was a similar case. << Not true in either case both Bunker Hill and Franklin were in excellent material and structural condition. In fact, at least one was slated for the "ultimate" Essex conversion, but that plan never came to fruition (and hence the scrapping). Both were in far better condition than the carriers which the Vietnam war wore out. Steve Allen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume