Subject: SMML VOL 2859 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:59:40 +1000 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 George Peat 2 George 3 George Peat RIP 4 Warships International 5 Re LSTs 6 Re Nimitz CIWS positions 7 Re Moving to Texas 8 Re LST Book 9 Product Review - Canadian Corvette Camouflage 10 LST Books 11 LSTs 12 Re Moving to Texas 13 Books on LSTs 14 Re Nimitz CIWS 15 Re LSTs 16 Re LSTs 17 Re LST's 18 79 19 Making papermodels look more like plastic 20 USS Bunnker Hill (CV-17) radars ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS This issue of SMML is dedicated to the memory of George Peat BEM May he rest in peace Shane & Lorna ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From M Brown Subject George Peat For those that don't know, George Peat. BEM died in his garden of a heart attack on Saturday afternoon 11th June. George was a long time contributor to the site and, having met him several times, a dammed nice guy. Michael Brown ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From MicroGee@aol.com Subject George I'm not sure if you remember him from the old "Model Boat Wizards" group, But I just had word via Chris Davenport and Rich Redfern that George Peat passed away of a heart attack on this last Saturday morning. We had some lively phone chats over the last several months, and were often exchanging modeling information for this project or that. George worked on, no doubt to the end. Fair winds and following seas old chum--- Karl Kalb ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Michael Kear" Subject George Peat RIP I just heard through a group of model builder friends that George Peat from the UK passed away of a heart attack on this last Saturday morning. George was well known to the Task Force 72 group, but also well known throughout the model ship building world as a stalwart of model warship building. He championed the cause of the 1/72 scale in the UK, which until he started pushing for it had nearly always built warships in 196 scale. George was a nice fella, and a good friend to me through a good many years. I’ll miss him a lot. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Modelwarship72 http//modelwarship.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From Subject Warships International Is Warships International still being printed? If so what is the contact information for them? Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL President - Nautical Research & Model Ship Society of Chicago Director - Nautical Research Guild ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From "William B. Smallshaw" Subject Re LSTs The Naval Institute published book "U.S. Amphibious Ships and Craft", by Norman Friedman is an excellent source on LSTs. I believe there is another book titled "Large Slow Targets" on the subject. Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "Peter Chant" Subject Re Nimitz CIWS positions >> There is also (or was during the mid '80s) a CIWS mount on the O-10 level, just outside and slightly forward of the signal shack. If someone needs, I also have shots taken during the return from WestPac cruise. << Thank you Bob, I can see it on some photos now I know where to look! Peter Plymouth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From ives100@aol.com Subject Re Moving to Texas >> This is just to let you know that I will soon be moving to Carrollton, Texas, where I will be the Editor at Squadron/Signal Publications effective 1 July. >SNIP< Buy ship books from Squadron! << Mike, Good luck in your new position! You are now in a unique position of having a whole raft of experts on ships & shipmodeling to draw upon to suggest topics/improve/update/correct the Squadron/Signal Publications line. Tom Dougherty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From mflake@airmail.net Subject Re LST Book Look for "Large Slow Target A History of the Landing Ships (Lsts and the Men Who Sailed on Them" by Melvin D. Barger; Published by Taylor in 1989, ISBN 9990235562. It's out of print, but you might be able to find it on abebooks.com. Marc Flake ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From Ned Barnett Subject Product Review - Canadian Corvette Camouflage Many of you will recognize the name of the author of this - he's a long-time list-member in good standing. He's also a friend, which has nothing to do with this review's content. Ned Corvette Camouflage of the Royal Canadian Navy, 1941-1945 By Keith Butterley Published by West Coast Models, $20 USD, available at http//www.warshipbooks.com/store/go.js This high-quality CD is not in any way formatted like an e-book - in fact, it's not a book at all. Instead, it's a remarkable compilation of photo-reproductions of 15 original Royal Canadian Navy documents that traces the policies regarding Corvette camouflage from the early days of their service through the end of the war (these were selected out of more than 600 documents that were reviewed for possible inclusion here). The document section of this collection also includes a remarkably informative four-page letter on the subject of the application of Western Approaches camouflage to Corvettes, written during the war by serving officer Peter Scott. Taken together, these documents show not only the development of thought and intention regarding the camouflaging of what we mostly know as "Flower Class" corvettes (rendered in 1/72 model form by Revell) - and show that bureaucrats will be bureaucrats (one document expresses the policy that ships on anti-submarine patrol on the North Atlantic should repaint their camouflage every two weeks!). Along with this fascinating and informative set of documents are two artistic color profiles rendered by noted ship-artist John Lambert - who's illustrated many noteworthy books on RN and RCN camouflage during World War Two. There are also reproductions of three official RCN camouflage diagrams (rough pencil sketches, but official from the time period), that show not only the approved patterns, but what Skippers were given to guide their paint crews (precious little, as it turns out, which helps to explain the diversity of camouflage from ship to ship). Wrapping this up are 8 photos - the 4 color photos will knock your socks off, they're gorgeous! All of this comes on a single CD/ROM disk, making the material easy to access and easy to print or reproduce for reference purposes. I have always planned on building a Flower (though other projects have always taken a front seat); now, with this CD from Warship.com's Keith Butterley, I have all the research I need in order to apply proper, "official" camouflage to whichever corvette I finally decide to model. Finally, a word about the author of this collection (and a bit of full disclosure) - Keith Butterley is a long-time ship modeler, and for years has sold often hard-to-find reference books on ship modeling, with a special focus on WW-II (and a bias toward Canadian and British subjects often difficult to locate or obtain in the USA). I've done business with Keith for years, as well as trading ship-building ideas on the SMML ship-modeling list-serv. Along the way, we've become "list-friends" - but that in no way impacted my interest in this collection. As a some-time military historian (at least if you believe the folks at the History Channel), I have great respect for original documentation, and Keith has supplied these in plenty. If you want to go to the source for accuracy, or if you just want to see how military policy is made during war-time, this CD is a good investment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From "Warren Yaun" Subject LST Books >> A contact of mine has asked me whether there are any books on LSTs. << Michael, Here are three books related to LST's Whales of WW II by Robert Jagers; Mosier's Raiders, The Story of LST-325; 1942 - 1946 By David Bronson and The Amphibians are Coming! Emergence of the 'Gator Navy and its Revolutionary Landing Craft by William L. Mc Gee I purchased mine on the ship (LST 325 the last operational LST from WW II) during its stay in Alexandria VA. Its web site is www.lstmemorial.com Their online store is closed temporarily as the ship is on a tour. Currently it is in Boston until June 19th then it moves to Gloucester, Mass. In Sept the boat will be docked in Evansville, Ind HTH Warren ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From ZMzimmerman@cs.com Subject LSTs Mr. McMurtrey on LST books Squadron Signal has one. And there is "The Amphibians Are Coming!" by William L. McGee I am sure there are more. Welcome to Texas from IPMS NCT, you will be hearing more about us and Scalefest. Michael Zimmerman Dallas, Texas ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From "Ed Grune" Subject Re Moving to Texas Michael wrote of his impending move to Texas (i.e. Baja Oklahoma). Welcome and I look forward to meeting you. IPMS North Central Texas (NCT) meets the second Sunday of the month at the Irving Garden & Arts Center. NCT has been the local chapter for many Squadron employees and Squadron as well as their employees have supported us in our conventions & shows. The next big event in Texas' modeling year is the IPMS Fort Worth show held in Arlington (IIRC, sometime in September). Later will be a show in Abilene (October). That pretty much closes the year. The year starts with the San Antonio show in February, then hopscotches around through Houston & Austin before the big NCT show which is sponsored by Squadron, scheduled for the third weekend in May. I'll be looking for you Ed Grune Mansfield, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From "Ed Grune" Subject Books on LSTs Michael wrote regarding books on LSTs To my knowledge there are no books dedicated solely to the subject of LSTs. Squadron publishes Landing Craft In Action which has a section on LSTs. The most complete book on the subject is Friedman's Amphibious Ships and Craft. It has several sections on LSTs, from their British cocktail napkin design through the US's refinement of the design to their post-WWII changes. Ed Grune Mansfield, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From Von_Zipper@webtv.net (Bull) Subject Re Nimitz CIWS Hey Honest Bob, I thought I remembered (I warned ya about my memory!) a mount somewhere in the neighborhood of the 0-10, too, and sure enough you're right! Here's a lesson in double checking your sources I had checked the ships technical info in both the '93 and '95/96 Cruisebooks and also the Battlegroup spec's booklet. All listed 3 CIWS positions port bow, starboard bow Sea Sparrow mount and fantail. WRONG! Checking the photos, there is NOT one on the starboard bow, but on the starboard side of the Island... right where Bob said it was. In my defence, I was confused by a couple of snapshots I have of birds launching off Cat 1, and there's a Phalanx right in the angle. I assumed(!) this was Nimitz. Not so, Kitty Hawk maybe? Anyway, Peter, if you're still listening....those are the 3 CIWS positions from '93 to '96. Hope it's what you were looking for. Bull PS Back to Honest Bob...from that OK3wire handle I'm guessing you're a brown shoe. Always glad to meet another airedale. I was an AT2 with VF-24 from '92 - '97. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From "David N. Lombard" Subject Re LSTs Hmmm "the one I found on amazon.com" -- don't know that book ;-) Anyway, there's Witter, Robert E., "Small Boats and Large Slow Targets, Oral Histories of United States' Amphibious Forces Personnel in WWII" Pictorial Histories Publishing Co., 1998 ISBN 1-57510-043-6 And, if you have some good used book stores near you "Battle Stations! Your Navy In Action", 1946, Wm. Wise & Co. This is a book filled with an absolute treasure trove of color and b&w photos. p298 20 LSTs at Tacloban Aistrip on Leyte (too far for detail, but a great shot. 311 LST 1025, beached, doors, open, unloading by hand p391 LST 384 plus another, beached, w/ doors open. This book should be on the MUST HAVE list of any SMMLy with even the least interest in the USN in WWI BTW, there's a front picture w/ a color photo of the surrender signing on the MISSOURI -- deck is blue... David N. Lombard Rossmoor, Orange County, CA http//www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/uncgi/Earth?imgsize=320&opt=-z&lat=33.8&ns=North&lon=118.08&ew=West&alt=7&img=learth.evif ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From "Daniel Taylor" Subject Re LSTs Hi Michael I have read a book called 'Ships without names'. Afraid I can't recall the author's name. Its not clear whether this is the book on Amazon though it seems unlikely as it was produced around fifteen years back. If it comes to that, Floating Drydock do a very nice plan for an LCT2 in 1/72. Just waiting for an extension before I start. Best wishes Dan Taylor West Malling, UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From GORDONBUT@aol.com Subject Re LST's Try Fisher Nautical in the UK in his latest catologue he lists two books Allied Landing Craft of WW2 Amphibious Warfare Vessels e mail , fishernautical@seabooks.fsnet.co.uk Hope this helps Gordon Buttress Archivist Surface Warship Association ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From Mnw888@aol.com Subject 79 G'day 79 all out in 14.3 overs! That should confuse most people in the USA but most people in Australia will understand Regards Malcolm PS trying not to get to carried away, 10 one-dayers and 5 tests to come yet!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From Bevilacqua Luca Subject Making papermodels look more like plastic Hi fellow modellers, I just bought a 1200 Cv3 Saratoga hull + some fittings (barrels, P/E Bofors and a specific P/E set) from GPM of Poland (www.gpm.pl BTW the products are nice enough for the price and the service is good). Now I "only" need to scratch build sponsons, flight deck, and island. I had an idea about how to do it, that I would like to share with you all for comments/suggestions. I tought of having the relevant model cardboards laminated with thin transparent plastic sheet (you know, the type of service that is usually done to protect soft cover books or personal ID paper). The advantage would be to have a more rigid material, easier to glue and cut(for us used to plastic at least), but still painted and with all the drawn particulars visible. Once assembled I would go about choosing which particulars to improve on (for example drilling a porthole, or superimposing a WT door) and which to leave simply drawn (because too difficult/time consuming to improve on). A few matte coates at the end should take care of the reflective properties of the laminating plastic. Anyone did this before? How would the material react to CA, cuts and matte coates? Do you think it is feasible to have the laminating process self made in house? Any suggestion on material/equipment provider? Mastering the process, could save on expenses (and time), but more important it should let one better control the properties (thickness for example) of the laminated artifact, and still more important let the modeller seal again the cuts. What do you think of it? Happy modelling to everyone Luca ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From ddamian@skrzynka.pl Subject USS Bunnker Hill (CV-17) radars Thanks for all responses. They are really helpful. After some researching I have few another questions. What was support platform for SC-2, tall like in case of USS Yorktown, or shorter (for example USS Intrepid has this platform in two sizes)? Was there an SG radar on the mast aft the funnel? And do you have any infos about other antennas (homing, jamming, IFF etc.)? Regards Damian Pliszka ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume