Subject: SMML VOL 2905 Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 22:37:24 +1000 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Inclining experiments 2 Re Revell Hawaiian Pilot 3 Re Revell Hawaiian Pilot 4 Looking for a RN Peacock-class, any scale or media 5 Re North Carolina Questions 6 Re Inclining Experiments ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Steve Singlar Subject Inclining experiments While fishing around the Charlestwon (Boston) Navy Yard Archives some years back, I came across several photos of my ship (USS Hugh Purvis DD-709) undergonig incline tests. These tests were performed after her FRAM conversion in the early 60's. The photos showed very lareg concret blocks set on top of a cargo mat or rubber mat at various point along the deck. These concrete blocks has a large steel bar imbedded in them to enable a crane to left them on and off the ship. I had seen these areound the yard while visiting there, but was not aware of their use until I saw those photos. The designers made some measurements and calculations to determine the ship's stability under the various tilting conditions (it's all beyond me). Speaking of incliune tests, while off the coast of Vietnam in late 1968, we were making slow headway during a break in the fire support mission. As we were beginning to have lunch on the mess decks the ship began rolling. Althouh I was seated against the port bulkhead I wound up standing up, holding the table with one hand and the shirt of the guy across from me with the other. Stuff was flying everywhere. We were told we went 54 degrees to starboard and 48 degrees to port before we moved out of the current. I do recall the OOD was assigned to night watches for a while to help refresh his skills. Steve Pelham, NH ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "Jimmy Bloom" Subject Re Revell Hawaiian Pilot Rod rdauteuil@comcast.net asked >> I just got the reissue Hawaiian Pilot C-3 freighter. I notice there are guns molded in one of the sprues. Did this kit have commonality with the Burleigh/Randall/Montrose attack transport kit? Is it the same kit (less the landing craft)? << Short answer yep. Revell issued both a civilian (Hawaiian Pilot) and military/attack transport version the latter under several names, as you note. The Hawaiian Pilot was the first, back in the late 1950s, then they decided to exploit the market for military adaptations. Same is true for their T-2 tanker kit , which is issued under several names, depending on whether the military or commercial version. BTW, when I built HP, the original issue in 1960 or thereabouts, I sliced off those molded on railings and substituted my own jerry-rigged wire ones (this was before PE was available). That was very touchy work and the stanchions (clipped pins) are uneven height, so a bit of a ripple effect, but not bad from a few feet away. Now with PE --- I think1/400 should be close enough --- it looks a lot more realistic. Otherwise, you could probably run some silver paint lightly across the raised (railing) portions so they look less like bulwarks. Jim Bloom ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From William Swan Subject Re Revell Hawaiian Pilot Rod, Hawaiian Pilot was first issued in 1955 as the civilian version of military C-3 freighter. In 1961 it was reissued as the Doctor Lykes and later in the '60s it was re-tooled into the military version, and sold under the name Burleigh. Burleigh was never issued with landing craft. Randall and Montrose are issues of an entirely different kit that many people seem to confuse as the same. They are nothing alike, other than being ships of roughly the same time period. The current reissue of Hawaiian Pilot reflects changes to the tooling made after the military version, (Burleigh, re-tooled back to Hawaiian Pilot). This is why in the instructions you are prompted to chisel off mounting points on the stern for the aft gunhouse. If you have an original version of HP or DL you will notice changes in the arrangement of masts, kingposts and booms as well. William Swan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From "Roy McKay" Subject Looking for a RN Peacock-class, any scale or media Hi all, Looking for a RN Peacock-class patrol vessel, either 1/700 or 1/350, either kit, plans or even card model. I know that there was a WEM kit in the past and a pair of 1/700 were advertised recently on Steelnavy board (the first I've heard of a 1/700 kit of one), but are gone apparently. Anyone know where I can source one? Please contact me direct if you can help. Cheers, Roy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From David Sepos Subject Re North Carolina Questions Ron, As a devoted follower of the USS North Carolina, will you please post a note back to the SMML when your book becomes available? And where to order it? Sounds great, looking forward to seeing it. Thanks, Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "Tim Perry" Subject Re Inclining Experiments I seem to remember at a tale of one of the first RN Hunt class escorts gently leaning against the dock when one of its guns was lowered into place; it was quickly lifted off again! Checks on the calculations, which had been rushed and not cross-checked showed there was indeed a problem, so all the early Hunts had reduced armaments to suit. Later vessels had the hull beam increased by design, while one or two which had already been laid down were 'kippered' to add the extra width. 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