Subject: SMML VOL 2932 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 01:20:10 +1000 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Re USS Scorpion 2 Re USS Scorpion (SSN-589) 3 IJN hoists -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 TOM'S MODELWORKS REOPENING TODAY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From ives100@aol.com Subject Re USS Scorpion Scorpion at the time of her loss was in the scheme that had light gray vertical surfaces, and black horizontal surfaces above the waterline. There is a slight blend between the colors. Hull is black to halfway down, and red lead to bottom (some hulls were black all over). Here's a few shots of Polaris SSBNs in similar configuration http//www.navsource.org/archives/08/0860803.jpg http//www.navsource.org/archives/08/0861003.jpg Here's a color shot http//www.navsource.org/archives/08/0861014.jpg and Sturgeon class SSNs http//www.navsource.org/archives/08/0863901.jpg http//www.navsource.org/archives/08/0863902.jpg http//www.navsource.org/archives/08/0866903.jpg And the SSKN, USS Tullibee http//www.navsource.org/archives/08/0859702.jpg Tom Dougherty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "Rick Nelson" Subject Re USS Scorpion (SSN-589) Hi Glen, You wrote >> Can anyone take a shot as to what the colors of the USS Scorpion are in the pictures at the website I've included? Specifically, I'm referring to the shots of her tied up alongside the USS Tallahatchie County. << That's a very easy question. All US Submarines, from the waterline up at least, are basic black. At the time of the Scorpion loss she was black all over (goes with anything!). I know that her sail kind of looks like it is gray but it was rare that a boat was two-tone and the sails were not painted gray. I was on a boomer in '64-'66 and one patrol we painted the side of our missile deck gray but repainted it black for it's next patrol. I went aboard the Scorpion in Holy Lock in '66 and I had a very dear friend who went down with her in '68. Revell's Skipjack model is a very good representation (except for the prop) of the Scorpion since the Scorpion was a Skipjack class boat. I built it a number of years ago. Remember, no decals. We didn't show anyone who we were. Rick Nelson "Damn the Pressure, Six-Zero feet!" "Boomers Hide With Pride" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Reynaga, Tim@EDD" Subject IJN hoists >> Here's a question for you WW II Japanese naval experts Did the Japanese navy of WW II use the same international signal flags as the US Navy? I understand that their flag hoists probably had different meanings, but were the actual flags the same? Does anyone have any examples of authentic WW II Japanese flag hoists? I can't tell you why I need this info, except that it involves a book! << Michael, I'm no expert on IJN flag hoists, but they did use the same international flags as other navies of the era. The only specific hoist I happen to remember is one Tameichi Hara mentioned in his autobiography, "Japanese Destroyer Captain"; "ABX", meaning "WE ARE ATTACKING WITH DEPTH CHARGES". I also seem to recall seeing a few other hoists illustrated in the "Random Details of Japanese Warships" booklets put out by Tamiya, you might want to check them out. While I have your attention...I want to thank you guys at Squadron/Signal Pubs your ships "In Action" booklets. I enjoy them very much and look forward to each new release. The texts are typically quite good, and I just LOVE the color artwork and photographs! These pubs are great thumbnail sketches of the subjects they cover, real value for the money. Well done! That said, I know you have heard this before, but PLEASE take another look at Squadron/Signal quality control for the "In Action" series. Content errors such as inaccurate captions and references to FS numbers for WW2 USN paint colors are an irritation, but the major problem has been the reproduction of photographs. The pics are the main reason I buy these booklets, but in recent releases many of the pictures have been so badly pixilated as to be useless. I used to buy each title sight unseen, but now I wait until I can thumb through them at the local hobby shop to check the photo quality. In some cases I have forgone the purchase because of the poorly reproduced photos. It is a great series, please don't let it decline because of something so simple as quality control! regards, Tim Reynaga ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Tom Harrison" Subject TOM'S MODELWORKS REOPENING TODAY our move completed and we are ready to reopen. over the last two months we have not only been busy with the move but we have released 14 new ship related detailing sets. you can see the listing by going to the new release tab on out web site www.tomsmodelworks.com 1/700 scale set 756 for the new Baltimore Class Heavy Cruiser kits coming from Trumpeter. 1/350 scale 4 new sets, 1/192 scale one new set, 1/144 scale three new sets, 1/96 scale 4 new sets and finally a set for the 1/125 scale Blue Devil Destroyer kit. we also have several other new sets nearing completion one being the set for the 1/350 Mikasa which we will also be offering a 250+ photo CD. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume