Subject: SMML VOL 2933 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 08:16:39 +1000 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Re more on USS Scorpion 2 Photo Etching 3 Re Painting of pre- and early war French warships ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From ives100@aol.com Subject Re more on USS Scorpion >> Revell's Skipjack model is a very good representation (except for the prop) of the Scorpion since the Scorpion was a Skipjack class boat. I built it a number of years ago. Remember, no decals. We didn't show anyone who we were. << Actually, the Revell model has numerous minor inaccuracies, including the sail shape, sail side slope, and other items. Ken Hart wrote an 8 page article on correcting the kit about 12 years ago; I have it as a PDF file if anyone wants a copy. Rick is right, the Skipjack propellers were originally a five bladed version, later a seven bladed J-series. Not sure if Scorpion ever got the 7 bladed job, as she also never was put through the SubSafe program, (which had nothing to do with propellers, but indicates how far Scorpion was behind in upkeep at the time of loss) and was limited to 300 feet diving depth at the time of the accident. I would agree that in general, submarines are all black, but in the late 60's, early 70's, some (certainly not all) boats had the black hull & the vertical gray surfaces scheme. Scoprion was so painted at the time of loss. The sail had light gray surfaces and and the "spine" (which housed the diesel induction piping)was black. See http//www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h68000/h68136.jpg http//www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h70000/h70304.jpg http//www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h70000/h70305.jpg http//www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h68000/h68139.jpg http//www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h68000/h68135.jpg http//www.navsource.org/archives/10/1016115411.jpg Here she is in earlier (1960) all-black photos http//www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h97000/h97214.jpg http//www.navsource.org/archives/08/0858903.jpg Note that in the earlier photos there are two sets of deadlights in the sail, which is the "as built" condition. The upper set was removed and covered over at a later date, and a small sonar set installed near the top front of the sail. Tom Dougherty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "John Mills" Subject Photo Etching Thanks for the replies from aorund the world! Can anyone guide me to a photo of photoetching already completed on a model? John Mills Canberra ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Harold Stockton" Subject Re Painting of pre- and early war French warships Hull Bottom (below waterline) and rudders Brown brilliant red. Boot topping Black semi-gloss. Hull (above waterline) Clear gray matt (numbers in white, counter-shades in black, name in gold). The hull, from the black Boot topping to the level of the bridge superior, in gray semi-gloss and the part under the overhang in gray very clear matte like all the superstructures chimneys, mature, roofs, masks, tubes, guns, etc. Deck equipment Anchors, chains, ecubiers, chaumards, bollards, guide vanes, winchs, in black as well as the caps and band(s) of the funnels black semi-gloss. Superstructures, including armament and equipment Clear gray matte. Bridge (interior) in reddish brown semi-matt (hidden as much as possible from the aerial view). Items that are above 130 mm off the floor are to be painted matte in finish. Decking in brown red matt, with slats in brass. Boats Below Semi-matt black. Dead works and hulls Clear gray matte. Interior White and natural wood. Cables and wiring Employ wire with and without covering for the ropes and the T.S.F. (wire finer than A (guage?) there is a disadvantage of deterent under the influence of paint, increasing the wire's performance or painted weight, should be left unpainted. Otherwise, cables and wires should be painted, where feasable, in the surrounding color. Signal Lights port side in red, starboard in green, those of the deck and the poop in white. Harold Stockton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume