Subject: SMML VOL 2943 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:37:34 +1000 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 BB -U.S.S. Alabama - Hurricane damage 2 "sub-mariner" or "submarine-er"? 3 Re S-Boat Sub models? 4 Re Carrier Decks 5 Re Submariner question 6 Re Submariner question 7 Beware 8 How to Pronounce - - - 9 Holmann Projector 10 Re Carrier Decks 11 Re Submariners 12 carrier decks 13 USS Missouri drawings -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 1/700 kits for sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject BB -U.S.S. Alabama - Hurricane damage Note 8 degree list plus hull moved 10' {note entry ramp damage] Also note severe damage to WW II warplanes - P-51, Kingfisher etc. http//www.ussalabama.com/html/photos/index.php Regards, John Kutina ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From Ned Barnett Subject "sub-mariner" or "submarine-er"? >> Just got finished reading a few submarine books and this odd question popped up and I figured this was the best place to ask. Is the proper pronunciation "sub-mariner" or "submarine-er"? << Gary - I've also been reading a lot of submarine books, and in one of them, the author (I think it was Ned Beach, but I won't swear to that) actually raised this point. He said the proper pronounciation is submarine-er, pointing out that the men who manned the boats were "sub" nothing, but in fact were superior seamen. I always thought it was the other way (sub-mariner) but the author, who'd been there and done that, was certainly entitled to tell it like it is. Ned ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From Ned Barnett Subject Re S-Boat Sub models? >> S boats there are also the HP 1/700 S boats they are tiny but quite good I have several of them and love the little buggers << HP? What's that? Where can I find this model? Thanks Ned ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From Steven P.Allen Subject Re Carrier Decks Wood decks do not create the kind of splinters that steel ones do, and they are much easier to repair that steel decks are. That was the rational the Bureau employed in the design phases. There was no way to put the thickness of armor needed high enough to armor the flight decks. In practice, the USN design proved superior. Certainly, the RN carriers seemed to be less damaged by bomb and Kamikaze hits, but the fact is that the RN carriers damaged were never restorable to complete pre-damage condition. The US carriers not only were but were able to serve as front line units for another twenty years. The brits had no fighters capable of defending their carriers in the pre-war years, so they willingly traded off fighters for armor (RN carriers never matched USN for a/c capacity). In places like the Med, the trade off worked. In the PTO, RN carriers were next to useless it took an entire RN CarDiv to marshal the same strike capacity as a single US carrier. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From Subject Re Submariner question >> Is the proper pronunciation "sub-mariner" or "submarine-er"? << Yes. Cheers, Paul ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "Rick Nelson" Subject Re Submariner question The answer is "submarine-er". There are no below-standard (i.e. sub-) mariners assigned to submarines! Rick Nelson "Damn the Pressure, Six-Zero feet!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From "Erhardtsen" Subject Beware On E-bay I have seen these 2 models http//cgi.ebay.com/TRUMPETER-GERMAN-TIRPITZ-BATTLESHIP-1944-1-700-5712_W0QQitemZ6000606339QQcategoryZ4248QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem and http//cgi.ebay.com/TRUMPETER-MOTORIZED-GERMAN-TIRPITZ-WARSHIP-1-700-80909_W0QQitemZ6000574142QQcategoryZ4248QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Both claim to be 1/700 models from Trumpeter, but only one of them is. The other is a 30 cm. model from a company called Minihobby at approximately scale 1/840 Regards Erik Erhardtsen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From "Ray" Subject How to Pronounce - - - It is "submarin-er", other wise known as "silent steely-eyed killer of the Deep" That how we always referred to ourselves anyway. I would think however, that "sub-mariner" would be the proper prim english pronunciation. Ray L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From Reynold.Oh@defence.gov.au Subject Holmann Projector G'Day All. George from Sydney, Australia here. I'm after a reference(s) on a Holmann (spelling?) Projector. I believe that it was an early WWII, British Merchant navy, improvised anti-aircraft device. I believe that it was a steam or compressed air-powered device that threw (or pushed) a standard hand grenade (less safety pin) up a tube and (hopefully) high into the air and (hopefully) into the path of an attacking aircraft. I vaguely remember reading about the device in a book called "The Coal Schuttle Brigade" about British coastal merchant shipping in the Channel, during WWII. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From Sab1156@aol.com Subject Re Carrier Decks Hi Jeffry, It is a historical fact,that the steel decks of the RN carriers were a very good protection against Kamikaze attacks.The japanese planes had not the speed nor weight to be as sucessful as an armour piercing bomb. best regards Detlef ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From Subject Re Submariners Neither, it is pronounced "Pampered, over paid, hotel swanning, Foo foo powder bathing, home port lurking, self opinionated twerp" or you can shorten it to "Sludge-Mariner" (Climbs into Fearnought suit and dons BA) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From "Jim McNeil" Subject carrier decks The British fleet carriers had a well armoured flight deck that did withstand Kamikaze hits on several occasions. This did however leave quite a dent in the deck so they filled it with a fast drying cement and after a couple of hours were able to go back to flight ops. Jim McNeil at Slackers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From GORDONBUT@aol.com Subject USS Missouri drawings I am the reasercher for SWA and one of our members has requested scale drawing of USS Missouri. I would suspect that they would probably have to be about 1/200 scale. He hasen't stated what year he requires either. Can anybody tell me who in the States provides these? Gordon Buttress ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Steve Guzy Subject 1/700 kits for sale I am reducing by stocks of 1/700 duplicate plus kits from my "stash". Over 50 kits are available. If interested please contact me off line at steve_guzy@yahoo.com. All but a few are the early kit versions and most are IJN except a good mix of BB's and some relatively newer DD's. thanks for your interest steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume