Subject: SMML VOL 2964 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 00:17:32 +1000 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Re Yamato Decks in 1/200 scale 2 Review of RN E-class destroyer in HMS Hood box 3 Twin screw corvettes 4 Revell Germany Essex class carrier 5 Re Flowers in the Castle 6 Cruel Sea 7 Twin Screw Ups 8 Re Escorts 9 Type 12 Hull ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Herron, Danny Civ TSCHOOL" Subject Re Yamato Decks in 1/200 scale Hi guys! Thanks to all those who gave suggestions to me about the Yamato decks….I will give it a good looking over and will let you know the results! Also a special thanks to my new best friend and all of his shots of the Yamato. My hat is off to you! Danny R. Herron LTC, AVIATION USAR ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "Lawrence E.A. Lee" Subject Review of RN E-class destroyer in HMS Hood box I remember someone posting this question about the E-class destroyer some months ago, but missed any response. Does anyone know of a review? Also, is there any way to purchase it without the Hood? Lawrence ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Reid, John (AFIT)" Subject Twin screw corvettes Montserrat also served in Kingfisher class pre-war ships; twin screws, turbines, nice looking, but too difficult and expensive to build quickly and in quantity. Low freeboard and surely coastal. (BTW the Type 14 Blackwood class also seem to have been a poor design for a quick-and-easy build ship – see DK Brown on the topic.) Mid-war or later, the first descriptive name for what became River class frigates was T/S corvette. For those who haven’t heard of it, try reading “Escort” by D A Rayner. He commanded the first long-focsle Flower and later a Castle - and some interesting other stuff along the way, including getting sunk once. Not much use for modellers, the few photos are not well captioned – but evocative, like The Cruel Sea. John Reid Rome ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From Subject Revell Germany Essex class carrier Has anyone heard anything more about the proposed reissue of the Revell SCB-27/SCB-125 Essex class carrier by Revell Germany? It is really going to happen? When? What air group will be included? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From "David N. Lombard" Subject Re Flowers in the Castle From >> I read Nelson was ridiculed for being sea sick at anchor, well I can beat that, I was incapacitated with mal de mer for a week while tied up at South Slip Jetty in GUZ on HMS Naiad when I first joined her. << From what I've heard, it's not that rare for someone perfectly stable while underway to be a basket case when drifting. Alongside the jetty's a bit extreme, but, hey, somebody's got to be that person ;-) David N. Lombard Rossmoor, Orange County, CA http//www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/uncgi/Earth?imgsize=320&opt=-z&lat=33.8&ns=North&lon=118.08&ew=West&alt=7&img=learth.evif ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "Tim Perry" Subject Cruel Sea Snorkers! Good-Oh! Tim Perry wunwinglow www.tjpgraphics.com for digital aviation modelling www.kipperboxes.co.uk for 1200 Warship models www.cardmodels.net for the best paper and card website on the net www.bammo.org.uk for IAM motorcycle training in the Bristol area ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From Subject Twin Screw Ups Nice one Allen, I had forgotten that slip in Montserratt's book. I think the answer is very simple, Montserratt was an officer and the only thing he probably knew about the engine room was where to look for dirt while doing rounds. In a book called "Frigate", a fictional account of a World War 3 in which intro the author boasts he "actually went to sea on a frigate to research" we have the captain ordering Exocets to be reloaded on a Leander in the middle of the Atlantic. Cool achievement! I have it on reasonable authority (a steward) that the author never actually left the wardroom when he came aboard for a jolly. I am not dissing Montserratt here but the officer class in general, and if I am offending anyone then Good!!!! As a technician I learned very early you have to lie to officers because "Sir, I cannot tell you what is wrong with the radar because you are stopping me from finding out by pestering me with your inane and infantile questions" translates as "This man is incompetent" on your Two-Six-Four. Every techie I knew used to have a standby answer like "Probably the Icon Condenser, sir, afraid this will take a while". It was horribly hard not to laugh sometimes when you would overhear some young subby tell the skipper "Radar has gone again, sir, I bet it's the Icon Condenser, I will get the Chief on it right away." If any of my old bosses are reading this here is a news flash there is no such thing as "Creeping EPROM Syndrome" in a Ferranti battle computer, I made it up. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From "Peter Chant" Subject Re Escorts Allen Stevens asked "A question does fall out of the 3 Corvettes book in the early part of the war he served in corvettes on the East coast they are described as being twin screwed? anyone shed any light on what they were as I cant seem to find any info on twin screw corvettes in my own library." They would be the Kingfisher class, only 580 tons to keep within the London Naval Treaty limit, but 2 shaft turbine driven. Six built pre war, classed as Patrol Sloops, and three more completed late 1939. Later re-classified as Corvettes but mainly (only?) used to escort the east coast convoys. Peter Plymouth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From Subject Type 12 Hull The Type 12 hull was hugely successful and still is, the Indian Navy still uses it in their ship building. The hull was not only used on the Whitby, Rothesey and Leander class but also the Salisbury and Leopard Class and the Australian River Class destroyer. The Bristol was built on an enlarged Type 12 hull. The Type 22 which followed the Leander "but was never meant as a replacement" (according to several quotes on Hansard). I don't know if the original design drawings for the 22 are still around but it started as a broad beamed towed array tug that just kept getting stretched to bung more stuff on. That also probably explains the brief return to the raised bulkheads around the bow, a characteristic of smaller RN ships. I personally think a close look at the Type 23 frigate which was the Leander replacement will show it is not that dis-similar, modifications were made to allow for the bow mounted sonar, hence the exaggerated flare to get the nose anchor clear (the side anchor is a spare, if it is dropped it will take a very expensive Transducer array to the bottom with it). It was also made less radar reflective, one aspect of which is the sway back appearance and the more pronounced V profile. A designer at Yarrows told me that the Type 23 hull was the CAD version of the Type 12, he may have been serious, difficult to tell with the resident of a city that names its beer after how much a barrel costs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume