Subject: SMML VOL 2968 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 01:08:19 +1000 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Re Halibut Model 2 Search for the Bonhomme Richard this summer 3 Re Two Nations divided by a common language ... 4 Re RN warship forefoot paravane attachments 5 Re Schnellboote 6 Re OT - Things to do in Italy 7 Mystery Model 8 Italy - Places to avoid 9 Beer Bosun 10 Re Seeking sources of plans for A-I class destroyers 11 Pedestal ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From ives100@aol.com Subject Re Halibut Model Tom Detweiler wrote >> This is just a modeling aside on your Regulus missile thread, which made me smile and very fondly reminisce When I was around 12 or 13, I was given for birthday one year a huge model of the SSGN Halibut, complete with firing Regulus missile! I don't remember the maker-- I bet Tom Dougherty the "sub Tom" will know who made it-- but it came wrapped in a huge box, doubling the excitement. << That would be ITC, the Ideal Toy Company Halibut model. Here's a photo of one on the web http//members.fortunecity.com/jb6290/RCSUBS/Itc%20Halibut.JPG The submarine was a semi-scale model (some changes were made to accomodate the missile firing apparatus) of the USS Halibut. It fired a Regulus II (sorta) missile. Actually saw one at a SubCommittee Regatta back about 8 years ago, and a copy of a 1960's advertising flyer for the kit appeared in an old SubCommittee Report a number of years ago.. These ITC kits are expensive and rare finds on Ebay (can I say Ebay here?). I also built a couple of scale models of the Halibut for the Halibut Crew 2002 Reunion. They can be seen here http//www.steelnavy.com/CombatSubsHalibutTD.htm Tom Dougherty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "Jimmy Bloom" Subject Search for the Bonhomme Richard this summer I thought this item might be of interest to anyone on the list who has attempted to scratch or kit-build a model of the BHR. Perhaps the search might result in a definitive kit, be it wood or plastic, of Jones' most famous command. http//www.marinelink.com/MembersNew/ViewStoryNR.asp?StoryID=200572 The actual appearance of the ship is the subject of a lot of speculation and both educated and vividly imaginative guesses, witness the big variation among the several kits. Jim Bloom Silver Spring, MD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From Ned Barnett Subject Re Two Nations divided by a common language ... >> Following the request for information on S-Boats the following website is well worth looking at (The British Military Power Boats Trust) which can be found at; http//www.bmpt.org.uk/index.htm you can even find good information including photos of the preservation work being done on S130 the last surviving German S-boat. They also have a nice historic motor launch of 1940 for sale! << Norman Thanks for this information. Unfortunately, I was asking for information on US Navy S-Boat submarines (a 1916 design built during and immediately after WW-I) as they were configured for service in early WW-II in defense of the Philippines. Anybody here have information on the USN submarine S-Boats? Thanks Ned ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From David Wells Subject Re RN warship forefoot paravane attachments John F. Lyman wrote >> In response to the query about KGV and BELFAST triangular plates at the juncture of cutwater and keel (the forefoot), I believe those are the attachment points for the paravane streaming chains that would extend outward on either bow of the ship underway with minecutting paravanes streamed, and which would extend upward to the forecastle (and be tied off) when the paravanes were not in use. << OK, that makes sense. And it also means that the Revell KGV version is REALLY bad. I'll probably have to cut it off one way or the other. >> There are many photos extant of RN and other navies' ships with the chains extending upward from below the waterline at the bow to the forecastle deck - the concept of "every ship a minesweeper" was widespread in the pre-WW2 period, before bottom and other influence-triggered mines became popular. << Were these ever removed from earlier ships? Were they fitted to late WWII ships? Since I'm planning on doing a Lion, in a "late war" configuration, so perhaps I should ask about such ships as HMS Anson or HMS Howe. Did they have these fittings? "There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 | http//home.att.net/~WellsBrothers/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From Fred Becker Subject Re Schnellboote Ned, have a look at the following web site http//www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/index.html Regards Fred ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From John SLATER Subject Re OT - Things to do in Italy Visit the Shipmodellers Association in Bologna see www.anb-online.org Visit the main Italian Navy Fleet port of Taranto Check out the Maritime Muesums / Museums in general in Venice Also in Venice you can check out Museums that have really incredible Da Vinci devices in them Lake Como Swiss/ Italian border is just amazing for scenery Try the Almalfi coast for great scenery / food / and relaxation Take a boat trip from Southern Italy across to Malta Try speaking a little Italian - the locals seem far more accommodating after they can see you making an effort Above all have a fantastic time and you must not miss Venice! I am very envious. All the best John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From ZMzimmerman@cs.com Subject Mystery Model Could anyone tell me the maker of a kit I acquired recently. 1/400th scale Japan Line cargo ship, all metal hull, brass main deck, deck houses and brass details. Blue box. Instructions are all in Japanese. Decals are for Koso Maru and Kobo Maru. Hull is painted upper third black, middle third red brown, lower hull dark brown. Any information would be appreciated. Michael Zimmerman Dallas, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From Subject Italy - Places to avoid >> I've never been to Italy (or even near the Med) and am looking for ideas. Any help appreciated. << Well Taranto is jolly unfriendly if you wear an RN uniform, a group of us were arrested there and made to mark up on a map of the med every RN ship sunk during the war using a couple of history books. This was punishment by the local judge for arguing over the bill in a bar. When we marked Taranto on the map as "il Morto de Mare Nostrum" we were fined for defacing public property, guess the grammar was bad? You might be okay being a Yank though. Incidentally fellow Brits, for those who did not catch the news there is an armistice from Thursday and we can all fly our nicked - er - I mean midnight requisitioned White Ensigns without fear of the sweet hearted Regulators kicking in the door with their white gatored size twelves. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From Subject Beer Bosun >> But the 60, 70, 80 and 90 Shilling names come from the Duty the Customs and Excise charged on a Barrel of beer << I am obliged! But would quibble it is off topic, Yarrows would never have got a ship down the Clyde without a few "Pints of Heavy" to grease the slipways. And it was with pints, crates and barrels as currency that essential modifications were made to ships in build (like getting a decent bar into the CPOs Mess and extra barrel storage) During the build of HMS Norfolk a change in the drawings to re-lable the Junior Rates Mess Decks cost £10,000 per label when done using official channels. Getting foul weather straps fitted to desk tops in the Computer Room cost me a few pints of 80 Shilling in a bar on Sauchiehall Street. Incidentally I see the Type 23 now sprouts an extra radar on the Bridge Roof, anyone got info on it? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From GORDONBUT@aol.com Subject Re Seeking sources of plans for A-I class destroyers Glasgow University carry drawings for among others for ships built by John Brown. The ships would be HMS BASILISK AND BEAGLE.the other were built mainly on the Tyne. There fore they will be held by National Maritime Museum The details are- GLASGOW UNIVERSITY ARCHIVE SERVICES. 13 THURSO STREET GLASGOW. G11 6PE. E-MAIL dutyarch@archives.gla.ac.uk TEL No 0141 330 5515 FaxNo 0141 330 2640 Gordon Buttress Archivist SWA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject Pedestal I read Barnett's notes with interest. I have asked this before; There must have been a central control of the air defence. What ship performed this function? I believe that it might have been the Nigeria? Also, I know that the Hurricanes had special yellow identicatiion markings. Did this apply to the other types? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume