Subject: SMML VOL 2975 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 01:19:04 +1000 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Re KuK vessels 2 Re KUK 3 Re KuK et al 4 Re Kuk 5 Re KuK Veribus Unitis 6 Building a Battle class destroyer (Battle plan?) 7 REVELL KIT 1160 PADDLE STEAMER GOETHE - HELP! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Ed Wandall, Aviation Research Group/US" Subject Re KuK vessels >> Just to see if the SMML-ies are up on WW I naval history, let me throw out a quiz Can anyone name the Italian naval hero who was the captain of that MAS? << Capitano di Fregeta Luigo Rizzo. Captain Luigi Rizzo sank the Szent Istvan and the Wien. If your browser has a translation feature (or you can speak Italian) check out http//www.marina.difesa.it/storia/MOVM/Parte04/MOVM418.htm Ed Wandall ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From URUDOFSKY@aol.com Subject Re KUK Kaiserliche und königliche Kriegsmarine historically it has been abbreviated KuK, K.u.k., K.u.K, K&k, KK, Kk etc. My Austrian veteran uncles spelled it K.u.k. Kriegsmarine, because adjectives are not spelled with a capital letter such as k.u.k Kriegsmarine would be correct in the middle of a sentence. However, when they spoke of the entire armed forces, it was Die Kaiserliche und Königliche. For more confusing information check out http//www.kuk-kriegsmarine.at/ for the various ways of writing this. Ulrich ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject Re KuK et al To Any one interested in KuK et al Subject My intentions My thanks to all who have, who are currently, or who intend to share their obviously considerable knowledge and information about the KuK preceding the names of ships of the Austro-Hungarian navy. I intend to each of you each individually in the near future, but currently I have the need to finish a project to which I am committed. This includes those who have posted your responses as well as those who have contacted me off-post. In the meantime I ask your kind indulgence and patience, I have noticed some minor discrepancies, therefore I will also create and post a modest bibliography of my sources, for your information. Perhaps some SMML people can please advise the correct terminology to be used when referencing the combined governments of the region. Should it be Austro-Hungarian or Austrian-Hungarian, or perhaps yet another term? A curios mind wants to know. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From "Frank Bowron" Subject Re Kuk With respect to the Austro-Hungarian dual monarchy, all three letters should be in lower case - k.u.k. The abbreviation stands for ''kaiserlich und königlich'' meaning imperial and royal. The abbreviation was used not only for naval vessels but also prefixed all imperial government institutions and office titles and even the Royal Yacht Club. As a result, the Austro-Hungarian Empire was often referred to as the "k.u.k. Monarchy" at the time, leading to the nick-name of Kakania to refer to the empire, which in the German language is a rude pun. Cheers, Frank ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From "Ken Goldman" Subject Re KuK Veribus Unitis KuK Veribus Unitis was sunk by Mignatta S2 (modified torpedo) piloted by Lieutenant Commander Rafaelle Rosetti, with naval surgeon Rafaelle Paolucci on the rear seat. MAS 95 (motor-torpedo boat) towed S2 as far as the defensive boom. Both men were captured and were on board the battleship when their charge exploded. The Italians actually got a two-fer. After being spitted, Rosetti set the fuse on the second charge S2 carried and sent it off on its own when the two frogmen jumped off. S2 came to rest under the depot ship Wien, where it exploded sinking the converted liner. Ken Goldman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From potter4@att.net Subject Building a Battle class destroyer (Battle plan?) Ahoy, Fellow Michael Thanks for your interest in my evolving Battle model. I did it a few months ago. It's a waterline model. You have the right idea use the fo'csle break as your reference plane and measure forward and aft from it. It actually took me two attempts, owing to my initial use of the faulty plan in Edgar March's British Destroyers. I.e., I wrecked the first. My method (with thanks to Rob Kernaghan in England) with the Airfix Daring Grind off the deckhouses moulded on the main deck. I ground off everything else, too. Grid off the knobs underneath the main deck aft. Sand the vertical edges of the main deck to make it the right width. Dry-fit the hull halves to the main deck. Tape these pieces in place. With a cutting wheel (I used a Dremel tool), cut off the lower hull along the waterline. Glue the hull sides to the main deck. I used superglue along the entire connection. Attach a 4.8mm-thick square or rectangular plastic tube (I use Evergreen strip styrene) underneath the main deck to carry all loads. Or try a thinner tube if you want the hull to sit lower in modeled water. Glue thin plastic sheets and a brass rod or flat strip at the bow to correct the stem. Measure the hull forward of the fo'csle break and compute how much shorter it should be. Sever the hull athwartship just forward of the fo'csle break. Cut off the necessary length from the bow section. Align the hull sections on graph paper. This was the hardest task. Attach plastic square tubes inside the hull sections when you join them. The tubes will spread the waterline of the truncated bow to fit the remainder of the hull. Also attach tubes to the Let dry. Sever the lower hull aft of the break. Insert strip styrene to extend the hull aft. Shorten the box that extends aft of the fo'csle break. Drag the hull across coarse sandpaper to smooth the waterline. I have photos of some of this. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From "Gary Mansfield" Subject REVELL KIT 1160 PADDLE STEAMER GOETHE - HELP! Hi, I am obtaining the above kit from the WEM stand at Telford 2005. Being disabled with a stoke, I need some kind person to build her for me. But I need the following modifications completed to make the kit look like how the Goethe of the KD Line looks now (www.k-d.de) 1. New round funnel 2. Some windows around the paddle boxes filled in 3. New decals made (The Revell kit's red ones are way out of date) (I have a friend in Holland who can help here - Thanks Maarten) Now can anyone in SMML land help me out? I will pay for paints, glue, new parts etc and any details I can obtain from the KD Line. (Photo's, Plans etc). There is no rush, Telford 2006 will be o.k. If anyone can help I will be at Telford 2005 on Sunday (and maybe Saturday too, depends on my Son's work pattern), to discuss these things, you can ask at the WEM stand or Les Brown's Small Warships Stand who will know where I am! (Hopefully). I will be around somewhere in my wheelchair with my Son David. I know she is not a warship, but she is sailing down the River Rhine in Germany now, so I can get all the details correct. (A bit fed up with Admiralty Grey AP507B etc...) Very many thanks GARY MANSFIELD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume