Subject: SMML VOL 2982 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 02:14:30 +1100 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 SS Winfield Scott 2 Re Protoboard/butterboard/Renshape 3 Re BIG news form Flagship Models 4 Re Protoboard/butterboard/Renshape 5 Re Protoboard/butterboard/Renshape 6 Re Protoboard/butterboard/Renshape 7 Re New Yamato Movie in Japan 8 Re Special Navy 1/72 U-Boot Type XXIII 9 Re Babel Fish ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Edwparent@aol.com Subject SS Winfield Scott Does anyone now where I can find information or plans for building a model of this side-wheel paddle steamer which went aground in 1853 in a fog on Anacapa Island on the passage between Panama & San Francisco? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From SantMin@aol.com Subject Re Protoboard/butterboard/Renshape >> I understand there is a product referred to as prototype board, butterboard, and a product called Renshape. A company in the US will provide one with a sampling of several of their products, but he wants US$25 + US$11 S&H for this.....what I would like to know is has anyone had any experience with any of these Renshape products, and what would said person recommend for a scratchbuilder like myself, modeling vessels in mainly 196 to 172 scale. << I have used several of these products. In my opinion, there is nothing better than Butterboard for ship model hulls (and a lot of other things too!!) It has no grain, cuts about like basswood, sands and machines like a dream, and turns fantastically, and accepts all kinds of paint. What more can you ask? Bob Santos ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Ed Wandall, Aviation Research Group/US" Subject Re BIG news form Flagship Models Congrats Rusty. Let me just say, I have the Ironclad Ram C.S.S. Manassas from Lone Star, and it is a nice kit. Rusty, when you are working on the instructions, check out the rig of the anchors on the bow. The Lone Star instructions are a bit vague there, and I am having problems with how I want to rig them. Any ideas? Ed Wandall ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From BRADFORD CHAUCER Subject Re Protoboard/butterboard/Renshape Gary Kingzett has the most experience with Butterboard. The structural parts of His New Jersey are largely made from butterboard. It is a grainless material, medium tan in color which approximates the workability of bass wood (the little bit I've played with it leads me to feel it is somewhat harder than bass, but eminently workable with hand and power tools). The advantages are high degree of stability, ability to take and hold very fine detail, easy workability and finish-ability and durability. It glues well with CA and epoxy glues, is largely chemically inert (at least to chemicals to be encountered in modeling. Renshape is a molded urethane foam. It has a grain, the fineness (and density) of which varies with grade, from a medium to extremely fine. It is also stabile, easily workable (probably harder than butterboard, easily machinable, easy to fabricate (epoxy abd CA glues) easily finishable and inert. Protoboard is I believe essentially similar to butterboard. Essentially both have the workability of a moderate fine grained wood with none of the disadvantages. I'd say go for whichever you can obtain at the best price. Any of them will make a very nice hull if carved to shape, but it will be a very expensive hull!! With either I would consider "bread and Butter" type construction as opposed to carving a hull out of one large block. However that said, I don't know why you are having that much of a problem with the technique you mention of a styrene deck, with large central "spine" and bulkhead stations, filled with resin. That is essentially the Method that Jon Warneke uses for all of his prototype ship hulls. To the best of my understanding he makes a styrene deck, attaches a central "spine in the inboard profile of the hull, attaches a series of bulkheads to form the shape of the hull. He then "planks" the hull in masking tape and fills in the sections thus formed with resin. After it sets, he sands to final shape. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From Kerry Jang Subject Re Protoboard/butterboard/Renshape Doug, Forget the Protoboard/butterboard/Renshape - it's expensive. I use jelutong, a traditional patternmakers wood that is cheap, easy to carve and shape. Cheers, Kerry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From ives100@aol.com Subject Re Protoboard/butterboard/Renshape I have had samples of the material, and it works very well, a bit like a hard wood. I know that, for example, Yankee Modelworks uses it for prototyping. HOWEVER, it is very expensive! The sample pieces you will get will be rather small. Even a modest sized piece will run well into the $100's. I would think that modeling in 196 or 172, the cost would become near prohibitive. Tom ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From Darren Scannell Subject Re New Yamato Movie in Japan The trailers look pretty good. Although, I think it is a cross between a Japanese Titanic and Pearl Harbour!!! Much more professional looking than Godzilla and I absolutely LOVE the accent on the 'close your eyes' song!!! I hope they do a subtitled, or dubbed version even, so that I can understand it. Darren ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From "David N. Lombard" Subject Re Special Navy 1/72 U-Boot Type XXIII From ives100@aol.com >> Please, tell us more! Where did you purchase the kit? How does it compare to the ICM 1144 scale kit? << I don't know about the ICM kit, so I can't compare them. All parts are well formed, with no external blemishes, minor flash. There will be a wee bit of cleanup needed inside the sail. Between the resin and (stainless) PE bits, looks like most detail is present; it appears the only missing detail will be the lack of structure visible through the limber holes at the base of the sail. There will be some interesting folding and forming to get the radar right. Instructions are nice and clear; don't foresee any problems. I got the kit from Military Shop Hobbies and Books in Long Beach, CA. See He had several, but I bought the last one. I'm quite happy with the kit. David N. Lombard Rossmoor, Orange County, CA http//www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/uncgi/Earth?imgsize=320&opt=-z&lat=33.8&ns=North&lon=118.08&ew=West&alt=7&img=learth.evif ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From Pieter Cornelissen Subject Re Babel Fish >> With DA producing it I had thought it would be a closer match. But it was pretty yuk. The Vogons were not in the least bit fierce. The TV series was much better. But never mind Star Wars is out today! I missed it at the cinema, popcorn and beer at my house tonight! Trick or Treat? Any sprog interrupts with demands for candy and I will give them a Trick or two! << I really liked the movie. The beginning of it is almost as good as the start of Enduring Love. I especially like the Vogons. They are not fierce because they are a parody on SF movie bad guys. HH2G is satire. Off course things are lost as movies are not books, and Adams obviously chose mainline SF movies as his target in the movie version (I've spotted Borgs, dialogue from 2001 and Empirial Storm Troopers in the first 15 minutes) rather than main line written SF in the books. This means that unfortunately Larry Niven get off the hook (ever wondered where the Golgafrinchams came from?) and George Lucas becomes the main target. Too bad Lucas himself already made three parodies of Star Wars over the past few years..... Pieter Cornelissen Delft, The Netherlands ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume