Subject: SMML VOL 3005 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:04:08 +1100 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Some answers to some queries 2 Re Nelson/Rodney 3 Wellcome back les 4 BADSWORTH 5 Congrats, Shane and Lorna 6 Battle Damage - real and imagined (and Lexington) 7 Re Trumpeter Slava -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 I have just opened another box of books! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "John Lambert" Subject Some answers to some queries Hi All For those interested on drawings and details of German sea mine types of WW II. My single sheet L/O/41 provides details of 23 different mines including technical function, explosive content etc etc. All redrawn from the Bomb Disposal School data in Kent. (Drawn December 1988). Cost is £10.00 plus postage. (I take PayPal now too). On the question of warship damage, details are indeed hard to find. But whilst undertaking research on WW II Coastal Forces I discovered information, and in many cases drawings of action damage which resulted in the loss of various RN classes, including US built vessels. Both MTBs MGBs and MLs. Most by enemy action, but not helped in some cases by carrying fuel on the upper deck when attacked by enemy aircraft in the Med. In one or two cases boats were lost when starting main engines due to petrol fumes in the bilges. All from official reports held in our Public Record Office at Kew. If you need to know more come back to me. Yours "Aye" John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From Maarten Schönfeld Subject Re Nelson/Rodney Hello Mike! Thanks for your reply. I am a lucky person last Monday I was in the bookshop at the Portsmouth Naval Museum, and there I have bought this new book by Neil McCart immediately. Indeed it has quite some good and new (previously unpublished) pictures, and I can warmly recommend it to any Rodney / Nelson buff. But unfortunately, only one picture of Rodney head-on just before she enters the water, indeed showing a little of the hull plates near the bow, and that won't be enough for me! Even the torpedo-tubes are nicely obliterated from view by the 'apostles' (wooden support structure used for stability during the launching). Still no pictures in drydock, and nothing about the more complicated rear end (rudder, brackets, shafts, propellers). So my quest continues! Regards, Maarten ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From Donsrcships@wmconnect.com Subject Wellcome back les Nice to see ya back with all of us . HOPE all of your modeling goes well and all your catching up goes as good . WELCOME back home To us ship modelers. DON That Portland Rustbucket ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From "Wetherhorn" Subject BADSWORTH I have no intention of getting into an argument with the gentlemen from WRPress. I even agree that the pattern shown in the Man o'War centerfold was probably identical on both sides. I even painted my own model that way. Despite this, the ship was completed without a type 271 radar whose distinctive dustbin WAS located on the after searchlight position later in her career. The picture of BADSWORTH in H T Lenton's Fleet and Escort Destroyers vol 2 shows a port side pattern that is quite different from that in Man o'war (where, incidentally, both photos are of the starboard side, and exhibit slight differences). I would be very happy to learn more about the pattern and colors carried by BADSWORTH in the Lenton book photo which is labeled "as completed" and the type 271 is conspicuously absent. Aryeh Wetherhorn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From Ned Barnett Subject Congrats, Shane and Lorna 3000 is a major milestone, and one that I (and many other ship modelers) are grateful for. I hope it's as good for you as it is for us ... Ned ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From Ned Barnett Subject Battle Damage - real and imagined (and Lexington) When I was a kid living not far from the North Bank of the East Fork of the Chicago River (known locally as the crick or the slough, and nearly narrow enough to jump over), I used to build ship models - with integral firecrackers mounted within. Then, with like-minded friends, I'd put globs of tube glue on the fantails and light the glue. As the ships (mostly Revell flat-bottomed model ships, as I recall) floated downstream, they gave off billows of black smoke that would have done "In Harm's Way" proud ... until the firecrackers blew, sending the ships far too quickly to their reward. Until recently, that was my only excursion into battle damage (except for some landing craft, etc.). But now I'm thinking about doing the Lady Lex at Coral Sea - there are many great photos of her listing, with obvious battle damage but no smoke or flame. This discussion has motivated me ... Ned ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From "F. Pletscher" Subject Re Trumpeter Slava Sorry Pieter, I misunderstood your comments on the shape of the hull. I examined it again, and you are right. It took some time until I found out what is really wrong with the Trumpeter kit. It is the main deck. Its level above the knuckle is too low. I spent some time of the weekend trying to fix this. I cut off the quarter deck. Then I cemented the main deck to the hull. After it had dried, I cut off the hull along the knuckle line. Then I added some 0.5 mm of plastic sheet under the knuckle and at the bow. The hull now has to be put together again, and what is left is a lot af filling and sanding and some adjustments at the quarter deck. As for over all length of the trumpeter kit, I measured out mine again. It is about 266 mm, and I do regard this as pretty good for 186 m in 1/700 scale. I also came upon some color photoes in a French book, La Marine soviétique, by Claude Huan, which shows the names of Slava and Marshal Ustinov written white upon the hull in the 1980s. Falk Pletscher ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "John Lambert" Subject I have just opened another box of books! Hi to you All I have just opened another box of books and found therein - "British Warships of the Second World War" A folio of authentic scale drawings. First series. (There never was a second)! By Alan Ravan (Raven) and John Roberts, London 1971. This semi-hardback publication contains 12 pull out plans. Each plan has a page of text including particulars,with the pull out plan alongside. The ships covered are - HMS's Rodney, Royal Oak, Warspite, Renown, Repulse, Ajax, London, Manchester, Sussex, Ariadne, Onslow and Lance. For those NOT in the know, this was way back when we had a Navy. Sent to the highest bidder, plus the cost of airmail postage. The covers are a little "Age Stained" but then its over 30 years old! Yours "Aye" John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume