Subject: SMML Vol 3088 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:14:47 +1100 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 REVELLE CRUISE SHIP MODELS! and upcoming 1/1200 model meet 2 Re Good and Accurate kits 3 Re "Sir Galahad" 4 Re Revelle Cruise ship 5 Landing Craft Loads at Normandy 6 Gearbox setups 7 Re Inter war China Colours ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Reid, John (AFIU)" Subject REVELLE CRUISE SHIP MODELS! and upcoming 1/1200 model meet These are quite possibly the 1/1200 models. Aida and QE2 are available, QM2 has been rumoured. Like the 1/1200 Titanic, these are full hull models not waterlines like the naval-ship kits in the same range – with somewhat simplified underwater profiles. Waterline Ship Enthusiasts are running the next meeting at Theale, UK, (near Reading) on Sunday 12 March. Anybody who needs direction, contact me off-list. John Reid ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From Dave Swindell Subject Re Good and Accurate kits Firstly, to Leslie, I must apologise as re-reading my post on this subject it may have been possible to take it that I was aiming the main drift of the post against you. This was not the intention, and I hope that's the way you read it. Unfortunately yours was the last post in the thread, and one that was trying to redress the balance of the thread. I think we're in agreement on most of the points made, the point I was trying to make was that Quality and Accuracy can and should be considered as two separate points when reviewing a kit. Christopher himself has stated in his reply to my post that he considers these separately when considering a purchase, most other listees I think would as well, so why not address them separately in a review? Some kits are of poor quality and not very accurate and can be fairly safely dismissed. Some kits are of very high quality and very accurate and deservedly will be highly recommended. Most kits fall somewhere in between and deserve a fair review for the reader to make up his mind whether the kit provides what that particular modeller wants. Some like Christopher will enjoy the challenge of a difficult build for the ultimate in accuracy. But a kit like this would undoubtedly put off most novices, where a simple build with a model that looks something like the prototype at the end of it would be far more appropriate. Me? I'm probably somewhere in the middle to accurate end of the scale and I'd prefer a good model if I can get one, but I wouldn't necessarily dismiss an inaccurate one if I thought it possible to correct the faults to my satisfaction, nor would I dismiss a difficult build (or scratchbuild for that matter) if it was something I particularly wanted. The ultimate reviewer is the modeller themself, and the satisfaction they get from the completed model will probably be the biggest indicator. Dave Swindell Back to sea all too soon! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From HGYL@aol.com Subject Re "Sir Galahad" Detailed general arrangement plans of RFA (not HMS) "Sir Lancelot", sister ship of RFA "Sir Galahad" are on pages 136 and 137 of H.T.Lenton's "Warships of the British & Commonwealth Navies"published in 1966 by Ian Allan Ltd. While very detailed, they are at a small scale and would have to redrawn to suit 1/96 or 1/48. I am not sure that they would enlarge satisfactorily through the photocopying process. Might be worth trying though. Regards to all, Yours aye, Harold Lincoln ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From Dave Swindell Subject Re Revelle Cruise ship >> REVELLE CRUISE SHIP MODELS! $1.25 EACH!!! Item number 6038777381 << Certainly looks similar to the Revell Miniships range and the size quoted would be about right for a modern large cruise ship, but I don't recognise the ship itself. It looks more like a RoRo or ferry to me, and also looks like there could be a sprue of parts missing? Seems a lot of models for test shots and strange to do a short production run of a part complete kit? Would be interested to know if anyone can ID it. Dave Swindell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From Kerry Jang Subject Landing Craft Loads at Normandy Hello All, I recently obtained the 176 Accurate Armour LCT 3 kit. What a monster (hate to see how big the 135 scale version is like). I have been researching high and low, with little success on one issue - tank/vehicle loads for the LCT. I am particularly interested in the typical loads carried by the LCT's at Normandy (British and Canadian Beaches). For example, as I researched JUNO beach, all I found was that the LCT's carrying in the Canadian armoured regiments (particular troops of the 1st Hussars and Fort Garry Horse, for example) carried a number of Duplex Drive Shermans, but the question is - how many in a typical load? Is that all they used? I have seen pictures of Canadian tanks at Normandy, and have seen a wide variety of vehicles, like Churchill AVRE's, Centaurs, and Universal Carriers. I would like to load my LCT with more than just Sherman's, so knowing what LCT carried what tanks at Gold, Sword, or Juno beaches (particularly Juno beach) would be very, very helpful. I did find some sites the American beaches (Omaha) that of all things was tied to the movie "Saving Private Ryan". This site actually listed the LCT's by number and had details of each LCT's loads! This information on British and Canadian LCT's must exist, so any pointers, hints, ideas would be most welcome. Thanks all! Best, Kerry Jang Vancouver, BC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "Will Noble" Subject Gearbox setups >> I can find no other reference to this motor. Given I am always looking for good low RPM / high Torque motors (I have a few hundred in storage and always want more) I was curious about which motor (i.e. the exact part number) you were referring to Will. << Dear Richard Greetings from sunny Portland, Oregon!! I found the motor here -> http//www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/item/DCM-247/400/1.5-4_VDC_MOTOR_.html I find that this motor, while I ALWAYS have to custom-make the mounts, works well in applications where low-RPM/high-torque is required. I used it most recently with the stock Nichimo gearbox in their 1/200-scale "I"-class submarine kit, to the effect that the speed of the kit on the water is 'scale'. I've noticed no ill-effect when fighting a small current, either. Hope this helps! Cheers! Will Noble Portland, OR ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From "Medway" Subject Re Inter war China Colours There are plenty of photos which show RN ships with white hulls & superstructure & buff funnels. I've attached one just downloaded from the IWM site. If you want to see the colour itself, go to the Naval Museum at Portsmouth where they have an old 1/96 model of a Town Class (Manchester I think) in China Station colours. I have a photo of it somewhere! Remember that the white then is not the white now. Get WEM's white if you want an "old" white. Buff is not always the Humbrol colour you think of. The old one is to me the one used in the RN on their survey ships until they went grey. Their colours were promulgated in ADMIRALTY FLEET ORDER 2249/1947 which had them as HULL UPPERWORKS MASTS FUNNELS Survey Ships White White Buff Buff Buff being BS381C 358 Light Buff Michael Brown ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume