Subject: SMML Vol 3108 Date: 28 Mar 2006 16:31:20 -0000 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: USS Cairo from ACW 2: Re: USS GUAVINA and the Martin P6M Seamaster 3: IJN AIRCRAFT CARRIERS - IJN destroyers - ROBBIE U-47 KIT 4: Re: IJN AIRCRAFT CARRIERS - IJN destroyers - ROBBIE U-47 KIT 5: Re: USS GUAVINA and the Martin P6M Seamaster 6: Re: USS GUAVINA and the Martin P6M Seamaster ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From PC Coker Subject USS Cairo from ACW In anyone is interested, I have a complete set of plans for the USS Cairo from the National Parks that was prepared for the Vicksburg Civil War site. While some 20 years old this complete set has been filed away rolled in a tube. I will consider any offer before posting them on EBay next month. Please contact me off line at cokerre@yahoo.com PC Coker ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "Norman Samish" Subject Re: USS GUAVINA and the Martin P6M Seamaster Great information, Mr. Stockton - thanks for sharing it. Norman Samish ----- Original Message ----- From Harold Stockton Subject [SMML] USS GUAVINA and the Martin P6M Seamaster. I had written a while back about the USN project of placing Vought Regulas I and II nuclear tipped missiles on board surface ships and submarines. All of this effort was due to the Navy's continued program for having a larger share of a shrinking defense budget after WW-II. A follow on program was for a nuclear strike force of USN aircraft that could still allow some form of response from the USN very large fleet of ships other than carriers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Gary Mansfield" Subject IJN AIRCRAFT CARRIERS - IJN destroyers - ROBBIE U-47 KIT Hi to the SMML Think Tank! I cannot seem to find here in the UK more so, anyone selling 1700 IJN Aircraft Carriers. Any ideas? I have seen loads of sites on the web, especially so USA but all sold out or the postage! Also, what is the 1700 PE like for some of these kits? Some bits look really poor others very, very good! The same for IJN Destroyers. WEM will cover the paint side of things! Also can any one translate the first few photo captions in the Japanese Gakken book No 14 IJMS Akagi & Hiyruo? (Please do not be fooled, I thought it would just be about these ships and the superb 1200 models shown, sorry just a few good photos of the models, not how built, problems, paints etc). The rest is about the history of IJN/RN/USN Aircraft carriers with very few good photos. Has anyone seen the Diamond book on IJN Carriers? A4 Landscape format any good? Also, my son has the 1450 Hasegawa HIJMS Akagi, any ideas on how to convert it into a running "on the modelling pond" model? It looks like it was years ago, but this kit is just static now, (but no holes, marks for rudders, prop shafts), there are supports in the one piece hull for a prop shaft, motor, battery etc. There is nice PE from "Toms Model works" but I do not think it will survive pond running! Any reports on the Robbie U-47 model? Is it good or bad? He has the chance of buying one, cheap unbuilt! Lastly, I have a number of ship books and unbuilt 1200/1250 card models for sale, contact for lists. Kind regards Gary Mansfield ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From "Daniel A. Kaplan" Subject Re: IJN AIRCRAFT CARRIERS - IJN destroyers - ROBBIE U-47 KIT Hi, Gary Where to begin. Sellers of IJN CVs are numerous - Pacific Front Hobbies in the US comes to mind as does Trident Hobbies (I find it hard to believe that WEM doesn't carry any in stock in the UK). Or but direct from Japan from Hobbylink Japan or Rainbow Ten (both have excellent service, esp. Rainbow Ten). There is an incredible amount of PE out there for IJN CVs, some generic, some dedicated. GMM, Toms, PitRoad, Finemolds, Joe World, Lions Roar, Voyager and even Hasegawa (for its own Akagi and Zuiho/Shoho) are all very good to excellent, depending on the fret. Some are brass, some are stainless steel. To the almost the same extent, these PE makers cover IJN DDs. The FineMold frets are especially good in this area (they also do the generic version for the new Aoshima Kagero class kits bundled with PE frets). Regarding Gakken #14, which photos in particular? Regarding the new Kure Maritime Museum books from Diamond Sha, they are beyond excellent. I have all of them and the format (big & CLEAR) make for a wonderful reference, No advice on the 1/450 Akagi R/C. You may also want to get some backissues of the Ship Modeling Specials from Model Art - wonderful reference on 1/700 - 1/200 IJN ship models. FWIW, Dan Kaplan, NYC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From "Norman Samish" Subject Re: USS GUAVINA and the Martin P6M Seamaster Hi Harold, I've taken the liberty of putting your reply an SMML because it will be of interest to many, especially those who may want to model the USS Chewaucan. I have read some of your contributions in the past and have learned to look for articles that you author. I Googled "Harold Stockton" and got 324 hits. After reading a few of them it's clear that you're an expert on many phases of the Korean War. I'm technically a veteran of that conflict (with the USAF in England) but know little about it. I hope you continue to enlighten us. Thanks again. Norman ----- Original Message ----- From "Harold Stockton" Subject Re [SMML] Re USS GUAVINA and the Martin P6M Seamaster. Norman, I thought that this little bit of information really brought the early USN nuclear policies together and made a whole lot of sense. BTW, I also read but did not post that the crew of the USS Chewaucan (AOG-50) used to have a game with each other. It seems when fully loaded, there was only 30" of freeboard on the sides, making for a dicey game of being on the maindeck during any kind of sea. They would be making some 14 knots and the seas thrown up would be heading south across the decks at that speed. As there was only the gangway to make it across the trunking area to the rear areas. If you happened to get caught on that gangway when the water hit you, you ended up going south at the same speed. Some fun. If you take a look at the captions of the Chewaucan on the link below, you can easily deduce where these USN planned to deploy the P6M-2 Seamasters operationally, like Suda Bay, Crete, it still can be seen that the Bosporus was the entended chokepoint against the USSR. The intended mining of the Romanian and Bulgarian coasts and across the straights would have been a clear supplement of controlling military and civilian shipping. http//t2tanker.piranho.de/id156.htm It is also interesting that when the US Army's Jupiter IRBM's became operational with sites in Italy and Turkey in the 1960's, it can be seen how the P6M's would have lost their strategic relevance in a very short time. Though I am a big fan of the P6M from an engineering viewpoint, it is too bad that the Navy could have saved the $400 millions and spent it a little more wisely on the surface fleet. I thought it a hoot to think that they would have stripped down the fantail of a CVE to make a tender for this program. But that was during the height of the Cold War, and no amount of money was too much to spend, the B-36 was a case in point. Harold ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "Harold Stockton" Subject Re: USS GUAVINA and the Martin P6M Seamaster If others on the list have been wondering why I went so far in my research on the USS GUAVINA and the Martin P6M Seamaster on a naval modeling thread, it is because that the ANAGRAND company has announced that they are going to be releasing a 1/72 scale model of the P6M-2 Seamaster in their future release plans. For those unfamiliar with this company's products, they are first rate in finish and fidelity. With Revell announcing their planned release this year of their 1/72 scale American, I think, Balao or Gato sub model, this would be a natural choise for a companion piece. As the USS GUAVINA was actively used operationaly supporting P5M Marlins, one of these flying boats would be a suitable companion piece using the old but still very good Hasegawa release. Though a three piece companion set would be a real show-stopper both in interest and in size, taking up the better part of a complete table at any show. I can see the P5M Marlin done up in Patrol Squadron VP-56 colors and the P6M done up in those of the Headquarters Squadron for FAW-5 and HEDRON 5-2 [Modern day RAG unit, HS]. For that last bit of information about wartime service provided by HEDRON 5-2, they served as a fleet readiness and training facility unit that provided aircraft modification and servicing before squadrons were sent out to the fleet. One such unit that they provided such services to was VPB-92 as it was working up with PBY-5A Catalinas for its assignment to FAW-15 during November and December 1943, and their final disestablishment in May 1945. The PV-1's of VB-147 went through FAW-5 at NAS Beaufort, SC, during August 1943. Another unit processing through HEDRON 5-2 at NAS Norfolk, VA, was the PBM-3S Mariners of VP-215 between 17 April and 28 May 1945 when this squadron was ordered down from ASW and patrol operations and disestablishment. A similar fate befell the PV-2's of VPB-153. Harold Stockton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume