Subject: SMML Vol 3113 Date: 5 Apr 2006 15:32:41 -0000 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re Invincible (1914) color 2: WWI Dazzle Colours 3: Re WWI Dazzle Colours 4: CMB models 5: Re CMB models ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From johnsnyder@onetel.com Subject Re Invincible (1914) color Hi Allan, They were in a light grey that was close to AP 507C, but that was a neutral grey (507C was actually a purple-blue). My recommendation would be one of our Kriegsmarine colours, KM 13 Baltic Hellgrau, which is a light neutral grey. Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models Quoting Allan and Crystal Plumb > Greetings. > > I (very) recently obtained the CommanderSeries/Iron Shipwright HMS > Invincible, 1913, in 1/350. > I have two questions > -- IIRC John S and others have said that WWI ship colors pretty much > matched one of the AP507s? > Which one? I'm looking for Invincible at the Falklands (the one > time > a battlecruiser succeeded > at one of its design goals). > -- Would a 1914 RN ship have the black line to separate the red and > grey > on the hull? Pictures > in John Robert's "Battlecruisers" imply otherwise, but > ortho/pan/etc > so I dunno. > I have one answer > -- Yes, David, in a little while. > > -- Allan "Pity it's not Courageous/Glorious" Plumb ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From George Colleen Hargreaves Subject WWI Dazzle Colours Hi, I was reading 'Dazzle Painting Art as Camouflage Camouflage as Art' by Albert Roskam. As this book is in Dutch, AltaVista Bable Fish is becoming my close friend. On page 28 there are 34 colour dots by Rotterdamse artist Rob Slikkerveer. These the text claim that Rob has regenerated from 'old recipes' and the colours in paintings. The book was published in 1987. Does anyone have additional information on these colour dots? They appear to be the complete scheme for RN Dazzle painting. Cheers, George ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From Ron Smith Subject Re WWI Dazzle Colours George Colleen Hargreaves wrote >I was reading 'Dazzle Painting Art as Camouflage Camouflage as Art' by >Albert Roskam. As this book is in Dutch, AltaVista Bable Fish is >becoming my close friend. On page 28 there are 34 colour dots by >Rotterdamse artist Rob Slikkerveer. These the text claim that Rob has >regenerated from 'old recipes' and the colours in paintings. The book >was published in 1987. Does anyone have additional information on these >colour dots? They appear to be the complete scheme for RN Dazzle painting. > >Cheers, >George They are in fact an interpretation of the original 1" chalk colored squares that appear in a report on WWI camouflage with Methuen/Ridgeway colors codes. Most of them are not camouflage colors at all, they are colors that appear in certain sea and sky states. Those colors were then used to determine how best to make a ship blend into the sea and sky. The color dots/squares themselves will tell you next to nothing, you need the report that goes with the sample set to make sense of them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From "Roger Pearson" Subject CMB models Greetings everyone, I am posting this message on behalf of T C Models of Johannesburg, Sth Africa who is seriously considering re-releasing his 148 scale 40 foot and 55 foot CMB kits. For those who may not know what a CMB is, they are Coastal Motor Boats used during WW1 and later during the Russian Civil War and I guess became the forerunner to WW2 MTBs. Of particular note one LT Augustus Agar took one 40 foot boat accross the Gulf of Finland (to Kronstadt) on the night of 16/17 June 1919 and sank the 6000 ton Bolshevik Cruiser "Oleg" and two months later led a force of seven 55 foot boats back to the same harbour where they sank or seriously damaged three large Bolshevik ships at a cost of three CMBs and eight men killed. He was awarded the VC for the first raid and the DSO for his part in the second attack. At this stage I don't know what price he has in mind, but I ask if any of you are interested in these kits then please e-mail Tony Collins at tcmodels@iafrica.com Thankyou, Roger Pearson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From "blackburniris" Subject Re CMB models If TC Models decides to reissue the 148 scale CMB, hopefully the kit's quality will be improved. Ken Goldman --- In smmlonline@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Pearson" wrote > Greetings everyone, > > I am posting this message on behalf of T C Models of Johannesburg, > Sth Africa who is seriously considering re-releasing his 148 scale > 40 foot and 55 foot CMB kits. > > For those who may not know what a CMB is, they are Coastal Motor > Boats used during WW1 and later during the Russian Civil War and I > guess became the forerunner to WW2 MTBs. > > Of particular note one LT Augustus Agar took one 40 foot boat > accross the Gulf of Finland (to Kronstadt) on the night of 16/17 > June 1919 and sank the 6000 ton Bolshevik Cruiser "Oleg" and two > months later led a force of seven 55 foot boats back to the same > harbour where they sank or seriously damaged three large Bolshevik > ships at a cost of three CMBs and eight men killed. He was awarded > the VC for the first raid and the DSO for his part in the second > attack. > > At this stage I don't know what price he has in mind, but I ask if > any of you are interested in these kits then please e-mail Tony > Collins at tcmodels@... > > Thankyou, > Roger Pearson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume