Subject: SMML Vol 3119 Date: 28 Apr 2006 18:48:02 -0000 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re Ship plans for newport news shipbuilding 2: Re Smithsonian catalog of plans 3: All those wonderful colours - but which? 4: USN WW II RESIN KIT IN 1/60 SCALE WATERLINE COMMANDER SUBCHASER 173' 5: Re Maquette 1/400 Russian subs and ships 6: SS United States 7: Maritime Museums 8: Re Maritime Museums 9: Re Maritime Museums 10: Re Maritime Museums 11: Torricelli (Lizardfish) colors 12: Re Torricelli (Lizardfish) colors 13: Re Torricelli (Lizardfish) colors 14: County Class Destroyers 15: Help needed with Dutch post-war colors 16: Re Help needed with Dutch post-war colors ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Mccullough, Vincent" Subject: Re Ship plans for newport news shipbuilding Paul Giltz wrote >Hi vince, I saw this posting on the SMML list and wondered which part of the Mariners Museum website holds this information. Thanks. Paul, I went to the library catalog at http//www.mariner.org/library/search_catalogs/lib_catalog.php and entered "Shawnee" as the search phrase. That gave me three hits, including one labled Shawnee (steamboat). Click on the link and it gives you the library citation. The other way to do it is to select an "author search" and enter "Newport News Shipbuilding". You'll get 170 or so hits -- some of them plans, some of them reports. Vince ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Mccullough, Vincent" Subject: Re Smithsonian catalog of plans John Snyder wrote > Hmmm, gotta weigh in here. The S.S. United States is not, and never was, a cruise liner. She was built specifically for the Transatlantic run. Thanks, John. You are, of course, correct. Today many of us tend to equate "cruise liner" with "passenger liner," which is not actually correct. As I recall, the SS U.S. was actually built with navy involvement as a fast reserve troop transport, with a classified top speed. I don't know if it's still classified. Probably, knowing the workings of the Pentagon. Vince McCullough ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Allan and Crystal Plumb" Subject: All those wonderful colours - but which? Greetings all. Some painting questions for the list. 1) HMS Prince of Wales 12/41. My references don't have any good information on deck painting. Which areas were Semtex, Corticene, and perhaps just dark grey steel? The main deck is mostly teak, but what about forward of the breakwater? I've lots of side pictures but few from above, and those are difficult to interpret. 2) HMS Exeter early 1942. I have a picture allegedly from the day before her sinking, and the holes in the hull indicate damage. Appears to be a single shade of grey, but which? AP507C I'd guess, pictures could be 507B, but the lighting is poor and we all know the risks in interpreting B&W of the period. Also, what about her decks, main and upper? Semtex/Corticene/steel/teak, where? 3) USS Hoggatt Bay CVE75. Shipcamouflage.com says 33/18A, I see a couple of pictures of her in disruptive paint, but they aren't really clear. I can't find any diagrams of 33/18A (Floating Drydock, shipcamouflage.com). A search for 33/18A finds a picture of Lunga Point allegedly in that measure, starboard side, but it does not match the pictures of HB's starboard. So, any confirmation as to the measure? Any pointers to a source for a diagram of whatever it is? Hey, at least one of them's a battleship. I'm finishing off the PE on my 1/350 PoW after several years almost-done, and wish to confirm my colours. The other two are Really Soon Now (but so are all the rest -) Thanks! -- Allan Plumb ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: USN WW II RESIN KIT IN 1/60 SCALE WATERLINE COMMANDER SUBCHASER 173' Like new list $165 special sale $100 plus $6.59 freight. PLease send US money order - US residents only. Regards, John Kutina ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Reynaga, Tim@EDD" Subject: Re Maquette 1/400 Russian subs and ships Harold, Here's my take on the D, L, ans S class subs Type D (Soviet SS) [1/400] (WW2) OK. Very basic full-hull rendition of this 1920s-era Soviet sub. The boat is depicted as it appeared during World War II without the conning tower mounted 102mm gun. It is what you would expect from a Russian model kit from the Soviet era poor fit, very little detail and mostly unuseable small parts. On the plus side, the basic dimensions are correct and the hull parts have surprisingly nice recessed limber hole and torpedo door detail. Issued at various times by Novo, Maquette, AER Moldava (as part of a set including D, L, S, Sch and M class subs), and Encore Models (set of D, L and S class subs). Type L (Soviet SS) [1/400] (WW2) OK. Very basic model of this 1930s-era Soviet minelayer sub representing a Series II variant, accurate for L-1 through L-6. The two part full-hull is split down the keel-rudder-deck centerline. Fit is poor with little detail. Small parts are awful, but the overall shapes are correct and the hull parts have nice recessed limber hole and torpedo door detail. Issued at various times by Novo, Maquette, AER Moldava (as part of a set including D, L, S, Sch and M class subs), and Encore Models (set of D, L and S class subs). Type S Series IX bis (Soviet SS) [1/400] (WW2) OK. Very basic model of this World War II Soviet sub representing any of the 17 IX bis series boats. The two part full-hull is split down the keel-rudder-deck centerline with poor fit and little detail. Small parts are awful; guns, dive planes, props, and net cutter are basically unuseable. Still, the basic dimensions are correct and the hull parts have surprisingly nice recessed limber hole and torpedo door detail. Issued at various times by Novo, Maquette, AER Moldava (as part of a set including D, L, S, Sch and M class subs), and Encore Models (set of D, L and S class subs). regards, Tim Reynaga -----Original Message----- From smmlonline@yahoogroups.com [mailtosmmlonline@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harold Stockton Subject [SMML] Maquette 1/400 Russian subs and ships. Can anyone tell me anything about the Maquette series of 1/400 Russian subs? They are of the S-13, D-6, K-123 Alfa, L-4, SHCH-311, B-806 Kilo, 'Aurora', 'Prince Potiomkin-Tavricheski' battleship, and the Soviet nuclear ice-breaker 'Arctic' (project 1052). How do these compare with MIRAGE's series of 1/400 scale subs? Harold Stockton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Joe Poutre Subject: SS United States Speaking of the SS US, does anyone know of information on how she was to be converted into a troopship? I thought that might make an interesting conversion of the Revell model. Thank you, Joe Poutre ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "cokerre" Subject: Maritime Museums Does anyone know of any maritime museums or sites in Berlin? Does anyone have any contacts with the Central Naval Museum in St. Petersberg? I expect to be there in July and need to know the hours of operation and if they have English-speaking guides? Do they have a web site? thanks, PC Coker, Charleston ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Александр Цешинский Subject: Re Maritime Museums If you're talking about Central Warship Naval Museum in St.Petersburg, Russia, then here it is - Web site is http//www.museum.navy.ru/ (Russian only, sorry) - Working hours 1100 to 1800 (St.Petersburg time, CET +2) for exposition, 930 to 1730 for administration and researching personnel. Holidays for exposition are Monday and Friday, for personnel it's Saturday and Sunday. - Contact them through museum@admiral.ru , phone 328-27-01 (St.Petersburg) Good luck, Alex Cieszinski, Moscow, Russia ----- Original Message ----- From "cokerre" Subject [SMML] Maritime Museums > Does anyone have any contacts with the Central Naval Museum in St. > Petersberg? I expect to be there in July and need to know the hours of > operation and if they have English-speaking guides? Do they have a web > site? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Александр Цешинский Subject: Re Maritime Museums Holidays for exposition are Monday and Tuesday (not Friday), sorry ----- Original Message ----- From: "п'п╩п╣п╨я"п╟п╫п╢я" п╕п╣я"п╦п╫я"п╨п╦п╧" Subject: Re [SMML] Maritime Museums > If you're talking about Central Warship Naval Museum in St.Petersburg, > Russia, then here it is > - Web site is http//www.museum.navy.ru/ (Russian only, sorry) > - Working hours 1100 to 1800 (St.Petersburg time, CET +2) for > exposition, > 930 to 1730 for administration and > researching personnel. Holidays for exposition are Monday and Friday, for > personnel it's Saturday and Sunday. > - Contact them through museum@admiral.ru , phone 328-27-01 > (St.Petersburg) > > Good luck, > Alex Cieszinski, Moscow, Russia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Lars Scharff Subject: Re Maritime Museums In Berlin the Deutsche Technikmuseum have some ship models http//www.dtmb.de/index_en.html I was there 15 years ago, therefore I don't know, how it change since then. Best regards Lars Does anyone know of any maritime museums or sites in Berlin? Does > anyone have any contacts with the Central Naval Museum in St. > Petersberg? I expect to be there in July and need to know the hours of > operation and if they have English-speaking guides? Do they have a web > site? > > thanks, PC Coker, Charleston ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Pietro Caltabiano" Subject: Torricelli (Lizardfish) colors I have completed the assembling of italian submarine Evangelista Torricelli S 512 ex USS Lizardfish SS 373 modified as Fleet Snorkel that served under italian navy from 1960 until 1976. The model is the Revell Lionfish with a new turret, modifications to the hull and details added. I want to reproduce Torricelli as it was in 1960 painted with US Navy colors, so I need to know which are the right paints to use, can anybody suggest me the right Federal Standards or Gunze or Tamiya code? Thanks. Pietro Caltabiano ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Joe Hinds" Subject: Re Torricelli (Lizardfish) colors Pietro, Got to Short & Snyder websit and look up color chips for those years. John Snyder happily works with modelers to supply the proper research for ships colors. www.shipscamouflage.com/ Good luck, Joe Hinds On 4/26/06, Pietro Caltabiano wrote > > I have completed the assembling of italian submarine Evangelista > Torricelli S 512 ex USS Lizardfish SS 373 modified as Fleet Snorkel that > served under italian navy from 1960 until 1976. > The model is the Revell Lionfish with a new turret, modifications to the > hull and details added. > I want to reproduce Torricelli as it was in 1960 painted with US Navy > colors, so I need to know which are the right paints to use, can anybody > suggest me the right Federal Standards or Gunze or Tamiya code? > Thanks. > Pietro Caltabiano -- IRON 2 ART Joseph Hinds ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "David N. Lombard" Subject: Re Torricelli (Lizardfish) colors Joe Hinds wrote > Pietro, > Got to Short & Snyder websit and look up color chips for those years. John > Snyder happily works with modelers to supply the proper research for ships > colors. > www.shipscamouflage.com/ http//www.shipcamouflage.com/ -- David N. Lombard Rossmoor, Orange County, CA http//www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/uncgi/Earth?imgsize=320&opt=-z&lat=33.8&ns=North&lon=118.08&ew=West&alt=7&img=learth.evif ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "michaeltf72" Subject: County Class Destroyers Anyone know anything about their props? I know they were 5 bladed like the Leander Class frigates but what size were they? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "F. Pletscher" Subject: Help needed with Dutch post-war colors I want to build my L'Arsenal kit of the COLOSSUS Class carrier as the Dutch KAREL DOORMAN before her being refitted with an angled deck. I know that the overall paint should be a very light neutral gray. But I don't know what colors were used with the flight deck (a blueish gray ?) and with the other decks (sponsons, quarter deck et al.) Has anyone any suggestions? Thanks in advance Falk Pletscher ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Joe Hinds" Subject: Re Help needed with Dutch post-war colors Hello FalK, Try John Snyder at Short & Snyder, Inc. They seem to be the color experts for the world . www.shipcamouflage.com/ On 4/28/06, F. Pletscher < raeplus@s-direktnet.de> wrote > > I want to build my L'Arsenal kit of the COLOSSUS Class carrier as the > Dutch > KAREL DOORMAN before her being refitted with an angled deck. I know that > the > overall paint should be a very light neutral gray. But I don't know what > colors were used with the flight deck (a blueish gray ?) and with the > other > decks (sponsons, quarter deck et al.) Has anyone any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance > Falk Pletscher -- IRON 2 ART Joseph Hinds ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume